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Anyone ever tried mixing 5-meO with N,N?
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There's a guy on YouTube who did a report on this, however he was also mixing with nitrous which in my opinion is a bit overboard 
this is the only experience I've heard of combining the two though.
this is the only experience I've heard of combining the two though.I'm a big fan of this guy, but never saw that video, thanks for sharing, I agree though that adding nitrous to it sound overkill a lot !There's a guy on YouTube who did a report on this, however he was also mixing with nitrous which in my opinion is a bit overboard
I've had the combo a few times. After a few experiments, I've come to the conclusion that they each shine best on their own.
In the most optimal conditions for a mix, you'd want to get the ratio just right so you have the feeling of presence from the 5-MeO-DMT while also experiencing the spiritual lessons and journey-like narrative from the DMT. That balance can be really tough to find though, and the 5-MeO-DMT has a strong tendency to overpower the trip.
Still cool and worth trying to see how it works for you. Just make sure you don't mix the 5-MeO-DMT with harmalas or any other MAOI.
In the most optimal conditions for a mix, you'd want to get the ratio just right so you have the feeling of presence from the 5-MeO-DMT while also experiencing the spiritual lessons and journey-like narrative from the DMT. That balance can be really tough to find though, and the 5-MeO-DMT has a strong tendency to overpower the trip.
Still cool and worth trying to see how it works for you. Just make sure you don't mix the 5-MeO-DMT with harmalas or any other MAOI.
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thtstvklly
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bump...
i have semi accidentaly mixed 5-meo and changa... putting changa in the brass bowl head of a glass pipe that had some 5 residue in the glass bowl below...
the 5-meo had been a handshake dose that i had hit a couple of times some weeks previous. i am yet to try a white out dose, and the hand shake encounters have manifested in very particular ways... like trans dimensional kineseology, or chiropractic work where my limbs, breathing and emotional motor functions have been manipulated in what feels like a very clinical or medicinal fashion.
the first time i added changa there was a profound alteration, where the physical "work" still continued but with a visual element that accompanied it seemed illustrative somehow, as if i was not just the patient being operated on but i was also standing in the gallery observing... a crude description considering the vast and intense visual aspect of it...
the last time i did this i warmed the 5 substantially before igniting the changa... i am reluctant to call this a mistake, but i would not encourage anyone to do this. the experience that entailed was on the higher end of profundity amongst my psychadelic experiences. im still unpacking it a month later and trying to intergrate it...
the changa i used had no harma extract but featured a few shards of cappi vine in the herb mixture... i know now that MAOI inhibitors mixed with 5 is dangerous, but i must admit feeling a compulsion to investigate this combination further at some point in the future...
first i would like to attempt a stronger 5-meo dose when i find a suitable sitter, and also experiment with combining 5 and NN in an infused leaf combination...
personally, at this point, i think there are compelling incentives to combine the two, cautiously and respectfully...
big love
i have semi accidentaly mixed 5-meo and changa... putting changa in the brass bowl head of a glass pipe that had some 5 residue in the glass bowl below...
the 5-meo had been a handshake dose that i had hit a couple of times some weeks previous. i am yet to try a white out dose, and the hand shake encounters have manifested in very particular ways... like trans dimensional kineseology, or chiropractic work where my limbs, breathing and emotional motor functions have been manipulated in what feels like a very clinical or medicinal fashion.
the first time i added changa there was a profound alteration, where the physical "work" still continued but with a visual element that accompanied it seemed illustrative somehow, as if i was not just the patient being operated on but i was also standing in the gallery observing... a crude description considering the vast and intense visual aspect of it...
the last time i did this i warmed the 5 substantially before igniting the changa... i am reluctant to call this a mistake, but i would not encourage anyone to do this. the experience that entailed was on the higher end of profundity amongst my psychadelic experiences. im still unpacking it a month later and trying to intergrate it...
the changa i used had no harma extract but featured a few shards of cappi vine in the herb mixture... i know now that MAOI inhibitors mixed with 5 is dangerous, but i must admit feeling a compulsion to investigate this combination further at some point in the future...
first i would like to attempt a stronger 5-meo dose when i find a suitable sitter, and also experiment with combining 5 and NN in an infused leaf combination...
personally, at this point, i think there are compelling incentives to combine the two, cautiously and respectfully...
big love
As you know, avoid mixing 5-MeO-DMT with harmalas. It works fine with DMT and I enjoy the combination. Perhaps others can provide more detail. I just remember that I liked it but I was keeping the 5-MeO-DMT dose low, and sometimes snorting it.
I have heard of this combo back in the annals of psychedelic literature from the 1990s. Gracie and Zarkov will surely have tried it - their "Notes from Underground" series comes as highly recommended whatever the case.
I seem to recall an account of it in the second part of the Shulgins' "TIHKaL" as well.
Definitely not an unheard of combo, it's somewhere near the top of the middle of my 'to do' list
I seem to recall an account of it in the second part of the Shulgins' "TIHKaL" as well.
Definitely not an unheard of combo, it's somewhere near the top of the middle of my 'to do' list
Ralph Metzner has written about it as well. I think he used to regularly experiment with the combo before finally choosing to stick with 5-MeO-DMT on its own.I have heard of this combo back in the annals of psychedelic literature from the 1990s. Gracie and Zarkov will surely have tried it - their "Notes from Underground" series comes as highly recommended whatever the case.
I seem to recall an account of it in the second part of the Shulgins' "TIHKaL" as well.
Definitely not an unheard of combo, it's somewhere near the top of the middle of my 'to do' list
This Erowid experience report lays out what I believe would be the optimal synergistic effect that one could hope for: DMT & 5-MeO-DMT - Erowid Exp - 'The Full Guided Journey'
thtstvklly
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since combining them it has changed the character of regular dmt journeys completely. its all super physical now, "visuals" are almost incedental, its all extremely fifth dimension chiropractic practice...
ive not had any 5 for over a month, been using the changa i made from the last batch of dmt...
but tomorrow i wil try my OWN changa, made with my own self extracted DMT! see how it measures up in terms of experience and if it continues the "treatment" that seems to have been occuring since the combining of 5 meo and regular...
does anyone know if 5 can be used to make enhanced leaf? will it dissolve in ISO the same as regular deemz, and how would i go about dosing it?
ive not had any 5 for over a month, been using the changa i made from the last batch of dmt...
but tomorrow i wil try my OWN changa, made with my own self extracted DMT! see how it measures up in terms of experience and if it continues the "treatment" that seems to have been occuring since the combining of 5 meo and regular...
does anyone know if 5 can be used to make enhanced leaf? will it dissolve in ISO the same as regular deemz, and how would i go about dosing it?
That's awesome. Do you remember the ratio you used when combining them?
I'm almost certain I've heard of it being used as enhanced leaf, and I've heard 5-MeO-DMT freebase is soluble in ISO. Not sure about dosing though. I'd start as conservative as possible.
Yes, very important to distinguish between changa and enhanced leaf when discussing 5-MeO-DMT.
In my mind, I think of changa as a mix of the psychedelic plus MAOIs dissolved and evaporated onto an herb such as mullein. With enhanced leaf, it's just the psychedelic and mullein without the MAOIs.
thtstvklly
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really not sure. the changa was .5 grams of dmt mixed with about a gram of assorted leafmaterial, including a few milligrams of caapi vine. this has always been my method of changa, (yet to make an extraction of the vine, or syrian rue for the MAOI.) it was a brass bowl at least half full of this mix
the 5-meo had been a handshake dose, a few granuales dissolved at the bottom of the pipes bowl, the glass part of the bowl. the pipes brass head was removable, and had been removed for the 5 doses, then re-inserted with the above changa dose, i warmed the bowl first, activiating the 5 then lit the brass head and WHOOSH...
my few 5 experiences had been marked by extremely cultivated and refined physical movement. no thrashing around, much more mudra like, some trans dimensional yoga, possesion pilates, no white outs, just reall physical work accompanied by some kind of internal dialog.
when the changa was added the visual intensity rocketed and the physical activity jumped a level, again no thrashing, but the feeling of kinesiological activity, physical treatment, hyper chiropractice... the release of some deep held "traumas" ... thats a clumsy word, but something of that ilk... compelled open eye moments, which has never happened on dmt before, but happens every time since, and some deep ennunciations of "Oh No!" like ancient memories reduced to their most simple form and expressed...
i also feared for my life at one point, breifly, but powerfully, the cold sweats, the dmt mania, everything torn apart, the physical activity... it was the most intense psychadelic experience i have yet had, way more so than the "heroic" musroom doses...
yeah, no worries on that front. i dont think ill be combining them before working further with each individually. My own home spun changa turns out to be extremely physical as well. pure mania on the first hit, absolute dismanteling of any sense of anything, compelled movement, moanings, yellings, laughing, utterances of No again... lots of flashbacks to childhood things, glimpses of fragments from over forty years ago... the second and third hits were less overwhelming, also felt tlike compelled action, like i was witnessing something making the choice for me, finding and filling the bowl... the third hit was way more peaceful, the visual asspect was breath taking, my heart rate only jumped to 101, compared to 141 with the first hit, still full of physical movement, but much more relaxed... i dunno, moment of real peace... She is all and i am one of Hers... thats what i was told... so yeah, i feel like combinig them can wait!
and YES, i would not recommend combing 5-meo and MAOIs and have zero plan to do so in the near future... but i must admit, i think something immense that way lies...
