Arch angels, Jesus - anyone with experiences or encounters here?

[Shenzi]

Hi there, I'm in a spot of spiritual trouble and am looking to find someone who has had (preferably extensive) experiences with angels, arch angels and beings of the light generally. I have some questions to ask but I'm not in a position to do so myself (there are a couple of strong reasons why it would be a bad idea for me to do DMT to ask them myself). As far as I have read all you have to do is call upon these beings (in DMT space and perhaps through astral projection) and they will respond.

The person who would communicate with them for me would have to be well protected which is why prior experience is necessary. I'm not willing to let anyone take what could be a very great risk given my perilous situation. I am not 100% convinced that the spiritual forces in my life are benevolent and would hate to think what they might do to someone I ask this favour of. They seem to have absolute control, being able to manifest great power anywhere in the world at any time. Because of my lack of surety the risk of not worth taking to ask someone who is not already protected by benevolent beings. The only way I can be satisfied that it is safe is if someone here has already developed a strong relationship with a being such as an arch angel.

I'm also generally interested in anyone's experiences with angels and benevolent beings close to the source / God, or on the side of the light.

I'm sorry that this seems like a strange request and I'm probably being quite cryptic.



Apologies and thanks in advance,

Shenzi

 

[Shenzi]

Are we allowed to bump here?

 

[null24]

Are we allowed to bump here?

Yeah sure why not?

OK, yeah you sure do you have a strange request. I appreciate your concern for safety, but before I or anyone could proceed to answer your request, we would have to know a few things.

Why can't you do DMT to access these spirits?

Where did you find information that says that people who do DMT are able to communicate with archangels?

What are these spiritual aspects of your life that make you question their benevolence?

And good Lord of course, what is this "spot of spiritual trouble"you find yourself in? Did you piss off a Seraph or something?

Are strange but interesting request that you make. I personally cannot say to have any relationships with archangels, however I am familiar with the qabala. It's really an area more of academic research for me rather than practice, at least as far as invocation and evocation goes, so maybe my interest in your question is more along those lines them towards your practical needs. Still, are you interested in opening a discussion on this?

If so, please address some of the questions and particularly why you think this has a psychedelic aspect.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

I am very curious, what is it that you would like to ask?

 

[concombres]

Have you thought about trying to get in contact with a shaman shenzi?

This seems to be somewhat of an esoteric & metaphysical thing you are speaking of & someone who deals with spiritual healing & cleansing may be more suited to help you work through it.
I`m actually rather surprised it hasn`t been suggested yet.

 

[332211]

interesting. i think i have a clue what you want to ask, i might be in the same spot. please, keep us updated. sorry, i am not of any help cause i won't enter hyperspace again anytime soon and i am far from being well protected.

you never did dmt, so how did you find out?

much love,
332211

 

[Shenzi]

I'm composing a reply but I'm wondering if this is too much personal information to be giving out. It's also an enormous post. I've actually got a headache I've been writing so long. I'll certainly PM someone who thinks they are interested in helping. Then I can give them more details too. I should note the risk doesn't look as great as I first thought.

 

[Global]

As far as I have read all you have to do is call upon these beings (in DMT space and perhaps through astral projection) and they will respond.

I think that this assumption is at the root of a lot of people's hesitation to help. I think that most people (including myself) do not find your assumption to be true. For the most part, DMT can be fairly random, and operates on its own rules. It is not unheard of for DMT to take one's wishes into account, but it's also not incredibly common either. Only on a few occasions have my requests been granted. Perhaps your assumption is more true with astral travel. Since I have no direct experience on it, I am in no position to comment in that area, other than to say that I think calling on beings effectively is probably more of an astral projection thing.

 

[○]

As far as I have read all you have to do is call upon these beings (in DMT space and perhaps through astral projection) and they will respond.

I think that this assumption is at the root of a lot of people's hesitation to help. I think that most people (including myself) do not find your assumption to be true. For the most part, DMT can be fairly random, and operates on its own rules. It is not unheard of for DMT to take one's wishes into account, but it's also not incredibly common either. Only on a few occasions have my requests been granted. Perhaps your assumption is more true with astral travel. Since I have no direct experience on it, I am in no position to comment in that area, other than to say that I think calling on beings effectively is probably more of an astral projection thing.

 

[Shenzi]

I think that this assumption is at the root of a lot of people's hesitation to help. I think that most people (including myself) do not find your assumption to be true. For the most part, DMT can be fairly random, and operates on its own rules. It is not unheard of for DMT to take one's wishes into account, but it's also not incredibly common either. Only on a few occasions have my requests been granted. Perhaps your assumption is more true with astral travel. Since I have no direct experience on it, I am in no position to comment in that area, other than to say that I think calling on beings effectively is probably more of an astral projection thing.

This is why I said "as far as I've read". I haven't made that assumption. That, and the potential that it could be blocked somehow, (don't know I'm just supposing it could be possible,) is why am cautioning that this could be dangerous. And also why I am asking for someone with experience. If I knew it was easy, I wouldn't be as concerned of danger. However, I have done a lot of reading about it and it does sound simple. A little too simple. Hyperspace Fool I think actually said that it was fairly easy I remember reading, somewhere on this thread. I've got a headache, I'm feeling sick and I have things to do but it was somewhere on this thread...

How to "combat" malevolent entities in hyperspace? - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

I also read that you should have a clean conscience and be a moral person. I don't know to what extent that means.
I have never read of a case where someone tried to call upon an Archangel and didn't succeed, which is good, but obviously not evidence that it can't happen. It's been three months since I posted this so I have had time to think about it.

I wouldn't let people go into this without all the relevant information, I've done a lot of reading around and my story takes a long time to explain, I would surely give it to one who was interested in helping me. I'm hesitating to post this publicly and I'm not done writing it all out anyway.

I'd like to also know if anyone could help me via Kabbalah, glad I was reminded.

I will answer these questions soon, assuming I'm brave enough to share the story.

I'm warning anyone reading this who thinks it's a good idea to call upon an angel with the intention of helping me without discussing it with me that it's possible they would be attacked. Ironically the best defence against an attacker would be doing something like calling upon one of the Angels like Michael.

 

[travsha]

Spirits dont just come because you call on them. Spirits can also sometimes pretend to be spirits they are not. That is why generally you have a trusted spirit guide you ask to vet other spirits for you and tell you if they are legit, or you have some type of test for the spirit to prove its identity. In shamanism you have your guides vet them, and in western occult you have either sigils or symbolism or commands to make them prove their identity.

There are many more spirits for protection then just archangels. Power animals are great. Mountain spirits are some of the best. Some plants are great: mapacho, pine, rose, sage, cedar, blackberry, nettle, ajo sacha, san pedro ect.... Great protector spirits. Some people also have patron deities to protect them (these are usually older pagan gods and goddesses). You can also call on Creator and Mother Earth.

I used to work with Kabbalah.... Much of it is not really focused on angles to tell you the truth. The New Age version started by Golden Dawn is heavily focused on spirits, but I find this version of Kabbalah to be very shallow compared to traditional Kabbalah which is more focused on connection to Source and to the Torah. Not all Kabbalists work with spirits - most I have met do not work with any spirits, but instead work mostly with prayer and meditation to understand things better and grow as individuals. It's not usually a magic type system unless you practice the New Age style.

I can share a story of meeting archangels and Jesus...

I was in Peru and had been very sick for about a week. So I decided I was going to drink San Pedro in the morning and ask it for healing - its supposed to be medicine so I didnt care if I puked my guts out everywhere - I just wanted to see if it would improve my issues. I was puking and pooping everywhere for days at this point.... So I guess it couldnt make things worse right?

I went to bed and had dreams that night of San Pedro helping me fight a spirit. San Pedro told me this spirit was a bad wind I had picked up in Cusco which had made me sick. I had thought it was food poisoning before then, but this made sense because my wife and I had eaten the same exact food the day I got sick. I woke up and was not only no longer sick - but it was as if I had never been sick at all. Usually after recovering from food poisoning you are still weak for a while but I was better then new.

Se we headed up to my teachers house for ceremony. As I got to her house I was already having open eyed visions - and I hadnt even drank any medicine yet! These were not visuals, but visions that looked just as realistic as everything else I was seeing. I saw angels everywhere and they were all singing to me with light shooting out of their hands and mouths into me.

So I sat with the group in my teachers maloka and she started explaining San Pedro to the newcomers... I wasnt listening because I was too distracted by the angels everywhere. Suddenly 4 spirits came up to stand on the 4 sides of me - San Pedro, my dead mother, Archangel Michael and Jesus. I am not Christian at all so this was a very confusing vision to have - especially in Peru where I was expecting more animal, plant and mountain spirits to talk to me (those are the usual spirits I work with).

So these 4 spirits surrounded me and kept singing and sending me light. My teacher then handed me a cup of San Pedro and I wondered "Do I even need to drink this?" But then Jesus put his hands on my back to support me as I drank so I guzzled it down. The 4 spirits kept working on me for a bit and Jesus spoke to me for a little bit, and then I went outside into the garden to sit with a tree.

Outside by the tree things got more intense and went deeper.... Everything above happened before 10am which is when we drank, and ceremony lasted till around 11pm that night so lets just say it was a powerful ceremony all around. The angles stayed with me a few hours and at one point my mothers spirit grew angel wings and she performed a healing on me. Lots of other things happened, but its a long story.....

So that's my experience with archangels...

 

[Shenzi]

Yes I read about your story recently. Very interesting.

I would love to have a good candidate for this, someone who has relationships with these beings would be better than my friend who has agreed to do it (but doesn't yet know the details.)

Yes, I agree, spirits can lie about their identity and this is what could be my problem. Well I've read that archangels at least do come when you call them if in hyperspace, though, and not seen anything to the contrary, and this information was from someone who is pretty intelligent and very probably lot more travelled than you are. Not trying to be rude here!

I would be interested in knowing some people who are skilled or capable at Kabbalistic, white magic. At least nothing can go wrong there, except for the fact my time might be running out. Can you give me some details by PM? I would prefer to go this route if possible. I did think it was a long shot but here you are, you certainly know more than me. Actually the spirits agreed that was a good idea but they have nothing to win from it, I can't see why they would (although I'm always up for having another perspective on a situation). If they're good, they're very good but if they're bad they're very bad.

 

[null24]

Travsha- beautiful!

May I ask- is your mother deceased and what was your relationship with her? I ask because the connection I had with my mother was both the strongest and most debased ( by me ) relationship of my life. At this stage, she is not cognizant of her surroundings, suffering what I believe is such a deep depression that ages receded from life and the world. She has been immobile in a care home ( my father is there every day, bless him ) for over six years. In my last mushroom trip, I tried to connect with her and send her my love. I don't know if I did.

This may be horrible to say, but I wish she'd let go. I have not seen her in many years and don't know if I'll be able to again. I've wondered if she's waiting for me to say goodbye.

Sorry to hijack, been doing that a lot lately :? ,

On topic:

My work with the qabala is the meditative type of work you describe, t. The archangels and choirs functions have eluded my comprehension for the most part. But from what I understand, they are messengers, meaning that they are the functionaries of the divine, ordering reality according to the sphere they are associated with. What I don't really grok is the difference in function from the named archangels and the choir. How does Michael differ from a Benii Elohim?

While I never performed an invocation, I have evoked protection and guidance from the choirs and archangels for many things. And it seems to work.

 

[Shenzi]

Ok, well, perhaps an invocation isn't strictly necessary. However I do have some questions which I could really do with answers to. Can you evoke protection for me, that would be really really great. That may even answer my question of whether they are good or not, depending on whether we can figure out if it was efficacious. I also need healing with my OCD, do you know how that could be performed? The spirits suggested they would do it themselves one day. I can recognise they probably have the power and intelligence to.

 

[travsha]

Yes, I agree, spirits can lie about their identity and this is what could be my problem. Well I've read that archangels at least do come when you call them if in hyperspace, though, and not seen anything to the contrary, and this information was from someone who is pretty intelligent and very probably lot more travelled than you are. Not trying to be rude here!

Well, I have written 2 books on Kabbalah and 1 book on Plant Spirit shamanism, and my full time work is helping people heal (I do not have any other job and am booked full enough that I generally work 40+ hours a week as a healer). I also have years of training from different indigenous shamans.

Your friend may be more traveled then me but in every single tradition I have ever studied there is more to getting spirits to come then just calling them. You have to know how to call them and have the authority to call them, or you have to get lucky. Only tradition I know of that says spirits come just because you told them to is the New Age tradition.

Ok, well, perhaps an invocation isn't strictly necessary. However I do have some questions which I could really do with answers to. Can you evoke protection for me, that would be really really great. That may even answer my question of whether they are good or not, depending on whether we can figure out if it was efficacious. I also need healing with my OCD, do you know how that could be performed? The spirits suggested they would do it themselves one day. I can recognise they probably have the power and intelligence to.

To work on these types of things you arent going to get the help you need online. You need to visit a practitioner in person and probably spend a dedicated amount of time with them. Especially for healing OCD it takes a while.

 

[travsha]

May I ask- is your mother deceased and what was your relationship with her? I ask because the connection I had with my mother was both the strongest and most debased ( by me ) relationship of my life. At this stage, she is not cognizant of her surroundings, suffering what I believe is such a deep depression that ages receded from life and the world. She has been immobile in a care home ( my father is there every day, bless him ) for over six years. In my last mushroom trip, I tried to connect with her and send her my love. I don't know if I did.

This may be horrible to say, but I wish she'd let go. I have not seen her in many years and don't know if I'll be able to again. I've wondered if she's waiting for me to say goodbye.

My mother committed suicide 6 years ago with anti-depressants (first side effect is they increase chance of suicide, but for some reason doctors prescribe it to depressed people?).

I eventually learned from a few visions with her the reason why she really committed suicide... Was much deeper then I would have thought. She is one of my main spirit guides these days.

I think for your sake even more then your mothers.... You should say goodbye to her. You will regret it later if you dont. And maybe it will help her too.....

My work with the qabala is the meditative type of work you describe, t. The archangels and choirs functions have eluded my comprehension for the most part. But from what I understand, they are messengers, meaning that they are the functionaries of the divine, ordering reality according to the sphere they are associated with. What I don't really grok is the difference in function from the named archangels and the choir. How does Michael differ from a Benii Elohim?

While I never performed an invocation, I have evoked protection and guidance from the choirs and archangels for many things. And it seems to work.

The archangel is the leader or "the big guns". The choir is a huge host of many angels who may even serve under the archangel depending on the circumstances.

 

[acacian]

I second the earlier suggestion of working with a shaman if it is a mediator you are seeking - importantly somebody who has extensive experience under their belt and is reliable at holding a space...in these settings though you would usually participate in the ceremony yourself and the shaman would simply be there to hold the space for your own personal journey to unfold and perhaps offer you useful advice post experience.

personally I think experiencing the trip for yourself would probably be much more healing/affirming than getting somebody else to be the 'middle man' and pass on the message, and its also important to take into account specifically in regards to smoked dmt, that the experience is often deeply personal and said person would likely have an experience that is relevant to their own life, rather than focused on the issues of somebody else's life. at the end of the day if there is indeed an intelligence/spirit with guidance to offer it would probably be better to commune with it yourself rather than have the message diluted by another person who may or may not convey the message in as helpful a way as could be achieved with direct experience

dmt has been a truly remarkable, loving and reliable allie for me hence far, but it is not always so for everybody - so going so far as recommending it as a remedy to your situation I can't really do as I am not familiar with your circumstances. On the other hand I also don't recommend a middle man for reasons mentioned above and if I were to recommend one over the other it would be taking the plunge yourself

 

[travsha]

I second the earlier suggestion of working with a shaman if it is a mediator you are seeking - importantly somebody who has extensive experience under their belt and is reliable at holding a space...in these settings though you would usually participate in the ceremony yourself and the shaman would simply be there to hold the space for your own personal journey to unfold and perhaps offer you useful advice post experience.

personally I think experiencing the trip for yourself would probably be much more healing/affirming than getting somebody else to be the 'middle man' and pass on the message, and its also important to take into account specifically in regards to smoked dmt, that the experience is often deeply personal and said person would likely have an experience that is relevant to their own life, rather than focused on the issues of somebody else's life. at the end of the day if there is indeed an intelligence/spirit with guidance to offer it would probably be better to commune with it yourself rather than have the message diluted by another person who may or may not convey the message in as helpful a way as could be achieved with direct experience

dmt has been a truly remarkable, loving and reliable allie for me hence far, but it is not always so for everybody - so going so far as recommending it as a remedy to your situation I can't really do as I am not familiar with your circumstances. On the other hand I also don't recommend a middle man for reasons mentioned above and if I were to recommend one over the other it would be taking the plunge yourself

Interestingly enough, in shamanic cultures most people dont participate with the shaman. In Peru only westerners usually drink with the shamans and locals often dont drink for healing. They have the shaman sing to them or provide energy work. There are a few tribes where most of the tribe will drink, but it seems more common for the shaman to work as a healer instead of people ingesting the plants themselves.

Westerners want to experience things too though - we are less trusting of the shamans. I actually think facilitating these types of ceremonies where participants drink too is much easier and requires less training in many ways. The shaman doesnt have to work as hard because the plant and the participant now do more of the work.

But I agree - some in-person ceremony with a real healer would be much more helpful then any help found online for this case.

 

[Glossolalia]

As far as I have read all you have to do is call upon these beings (in DMT space and perhaps through astral projection) and they will respond.

It doesn't work that way.

You can try to call out, and something will happen — that's much is true. But if you imagine somebody lounging around on a cloud having a heartfelt conversation with Archangel Gabriel on the next cloud, you have entirely the wrong idea.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

I don't think that the DMT-Nexus is the place to look for what you want.

There are plenty of people out there with the experience and skillset required to address your concerns. Here in the west, these people are usually called "exorcists". They are actually fairly common as far as religious/spiritual practitioners go (I know a couple, even in this rural area).

Most important is the ability of many of these people to help you address your concerns and determine if you are experiencing a spiritual threat or merely one imagined or generated by your own consciousness. It seems by your use of language and approach that you are in dire need of such a conversation, and re-evaluation of the ontological assumptions which got you to such conclusions as you've made.

There are exorcists of many paths, creeds and background. All that is really important is that you find one who you are confident with, and who is confident in helping you in your situation.. From there you can discuss your options and make an appropriate decision.

In my opinion, you can't do much better than a skilled, experienced Voodoo practitioner and exorcist. But, be prepared to pay through your nose. The exorbitant price of voodoo practice isn't greed; it is assurance of sincerity and compensation for good work done in respect for the craft.
There are also a great many incredible practitioners from Central American and Mexican cultures where magick and interaction with spirits are not discouraged in many Christian traditions.

Christian exorcists exist, as well, but are somewhat less common and it much harder to find a sane and proficient one. However,
If you are Catholic, your church actually has resources in place to help you. I would suggest discussing this with your spiritual leader.