Can anyone explain or have they had this experience i have had

[Sockdolager]

Hi,
I am new to this community, and to DMT. It had been on my bucket list of things I wanted to do for 15+ years. Finally I felt I was ready about 2 weeks ago. I had [MOD EDIT: no sourcing] a 200 mg vape and I absolutely loved it. So, when I finished that up, [MOD EDIT: no sourcing] I tried a 800 mg vape. I nearly emptied that with nothing but fantastic experiences, but probably 70 mg from finishing it off. I took two 10 second pulls and much to my surprise I literally got nowhere on it.
I decided to put the thing down for a few hours and try again later. When I did, again I took two 10 second pulls and blasted off but, I was also suddenly overcome by the feeling that my breathing was no longer an autonomic function and had to focus rather intently on the process to feel like I could get any air. My my veins turned to ice. I was shivering I was so cold. It took a hot shower and about an hour for my body temp to balance out.

I’ve waited a couple days hoping the last experience would turn out to be a one time freak occurrence. I tried again, with about 20mg left in the 800 mg vape I took a 10 second pull. I felt a rush more on the uncomfortable rather than pleasurable side. This could possibly be explained by anxiety over having another negative experience like the previous time. But, It was also strangely lacking in visual stimulation not as I would've expected it to be. Again my body turned to ice. Its’s as though the last 70 mg at the end of this 800 mg cart is something different than the first 730 mg and the 200 mg cart before that.
I guess I want to know if it's me or the DMT. Has anybody had a similar experience. Or has insight into what’s going on here...
Cheers and happy new year to y'all

 

[DM3]

Welcome to the Nexus community! It's great to hear you've taken the plunge into the DMT journey.

Your experiences resonate strongly with many seasoned psychonauts. The shift in physical sensations, like feeling your veins turn to ice and struggling to breathe, can be quite unpleasant, but they're generally not dangerous, as DMT is a relatively safe substance.

DMT experiences can vary greatly based on dosage, mindset, and even body chemistry. It sounds like you approached the substance with an open mind, which is crucial.

If you're feeling cold and anxious during your journeys, it might be your body reacting to the intensity and rapid onslaught of sensations, or body reaction to PG, or it could simply be due to a low room temperature. Even experienced users can have times when the experience feels uncomfortable or overwhelming.

Regarding the difference between the 730 mg and the remaining batch, the quality of different batches or the residual compounds left in the vape can affect the experience. I recommend trying vaping pure DMT crystals, as PG vapor can be harmful to your health and could be one of the reasons you felt off, it may have intoxicated your body.

If anxiety is a recurring theme, consider taking some time off to reset. Meditation or grounding exercises can help ease that sense of anxiety when you decide to try again. Trust your intuition, if something feels off, it might be best to take a break or try again with a less potent trip or different methods.
Keep exploring and stay safe. Listening to your body is always the best guide!

 

[blig-blug]

Hi Sockdolager, welcome to the Nexus!

The feeling of "freezing" that you report is common for a lot of people with DMT, including myself. If you take your temperature, you'll see it's in normal bounds, so even if you're shivering you're not in danger. That cold feeling disappears when DMT wears off. Of course, you can take a hot shower to feel more comfortable, but don't worry about your safety in that sense.

That feeling that you need to "breathe manually" so to speak is also common with DMT. I think it comes from a greater awareness of breathing, plus time dilation. But even if you don't breathe voluntarily, you'll keep breathing, so again don't worry about your safety in that sense. A similar experience happens in higher levels of meditation, one apparently stops needing to breathe. In fact, when vaping DMT, during my last pull I can always hold it much easier due to this reason.

As for the lack of visual effects, that's also the DMT, and it's not really known why that can happen. You did right by taking a rest, but there's not much else you can do, really. Prepare your set and setting as much as possible and go in without expectations. Then it will depend on the DMT.

The perceived change in effects could be due to you being more experienced now, and thus able to get bigger hits. You may be experiencing higher doses, and as a consequence experiencing the feeling of cold, breathing, and other common effects.

I would recommend you to start extracting your own DMT. It's roughly as easy as baking a pie from scratch (only you need to take more precautions), and this forum is full of resources to do so. With carts you didn't make yourself, you don't really know what's in it, the real dose, etc. It can potentially be dangerous (contaminated, adulterated, etc.) and it will always be a question mark when anything happens: was it due to an impure or under/overdosed product? Was it even DMT? Plus, there's the ethical factor that some of those devices may be manufactured by criminal organizations.

So I encourage you to take a step towards self-reliance, and extract your own DMT. You will be proud of the end result and will be able to fully trust it. And we're here to help

 

[Sockdolager]

Hi Sockdolager, welcome to the Nexus!

The feeling of "freezing" that you report is common for a lot of people with DMT, including myself. If you take your temperature, you'll see it's in normal bounds, so even if you're shivering you're not in danger. That cold feeling disappears when DMT wears off. Of course, you can take a hot shower to feel more comfortable, but don't worry about your safety in that sense.

That feeling that you need to "breathe manually" so to speak is also common with DMT. I think it comes from a greater awareness of breathing, plus time dilation. But even if you don't breathe voluntarily, you'll keep breathing, so again don't worry about your safety in that sense. A similar experience happens in higher levels of meditation, one apparently stops needing to breathe. In fact, when vaping DMT, during my last pull I can always hold it much easier due to this reason.

As for the lack of visual effects, that's also the DMT, and it's not really known why that can happen. You did right by taking a rest, but there's not much else you can do, really. Prepare your set and setting as much as possible and go in without expectations. Then it will depend on the DMT.

The perceived change in effects could be due to you being more experienced now, and thus able to get bigger hits. You may be experiencing higher doses, and as a consequence experiencing the feeling of cold, breathing, and other common effects.

I would recommend you to start extracting your own DMT. It's roughly as easy as baking a pie from scratch (only you need to take more precautions), and this forum is full of resources to do so. With carts you didn't make yourself, you don't really know what's in it, the real dose, etc. It can potentially be dangerous (contaminated, adulterated, etc.) and it will always be a question mark when anything happens: was it due to an impure or under/overdosed product? Was it even DMT? Plus, there's the ethical factor that some of those devices may be manufactured by criminal organizations.

So I encourage you to take a step towards self-reliance, and extract your own DMT. You will be proud of the end result and will be able to fully trust it. And we're here to help

Thank you so very much for your insight into this, taking the time to respond. Much gratitude dude...

 

[Sockdolager]

Welcome to the Nexus community! It's great to hear you've taken the plunge into the DMT journey.

Your experiences resonate strongly with many seasoned psychonauts. The shift in physical sensations, like feeling your veins turn to ice and struggling to breathe, can be quite unpleasant, but they're generally not dangerous, as DMT is a relatively safe substance.

DMT experiences can vary greatly based on dosage, mindset, and even body chemistry. It sounds like you approached the substance with an open mind, which is crucial.

If you're feeling cold and anxious during your journeys, it might be your body reacting to the intensity and rapid onslaught of sensations, or body reaction to PG, or it could simply be due to a low room temperature. Even experienced users can have times when the experience feels uncomfortable or overwhelming.

Regarding the difference between the 730 mg and the remaining batch, the quality of different batches or the residual compounds left in the vape can affect the experience. I recommend trying vaping pure DMT crystals, as PG vapor can be harmful to your health and could be one of the reasons you felt off, it may have intoxicated your body.

If anxiety is a recurring theme, consider taking some time off to reset. Meditation or grounding exercises can help ease that sense of anxiety when you decide to try again. Trust your intuition, if something feels off, it might be best to take a break or try again with a less potent trip or different methods.
Keep exploring and stay safe. Listening to your body is always the best guide!

Thanks for taking the time to respond. your knowledge, & advice is greatly appreciated, cheers!

 

[fink]

Hello friend. It can be as simple as accepting that your honeymoon period is over. No more free rides or easy rewards.

Like you said, you waited 15 years for this. From your description you have become pretty regular at using the substance.

I find hyperspace to be a bit like a mortgage company. At first they love you, welcoming a new customer. But after a while you get in debt. If that debt mounts up too high you need to start paying it back before you can borrow more.

Silly analogy, I know. But the point is valid imo. You've reached the stage where you may have to earn or 'deserve' more hyper-credit.

Integration. Life changes. Psychological changes. Learn (or discover) the lessons you've so far been handed for free.

 

[DM3]

I find hyperspace to be a bit like a mortgage company. At first they love you, welcoming a new customer. But after a while you get in debt. If that debt mounts up too high you need to start paying it back before you can borrow more.

I had the same thought, bro! I can relate.

Silly analogy, I know. But the point is valid imo. You've reached the stage where you may have to earn or 'deserve' more hyper-credit.

I'm feeling the same about that recently!

 

[Sockdolager]

Hello friend. It can be as simple as accepting that your honeymoon period is over. No more free rides or easy rewards.

Like you said, you waited 15 years for this. From your description you have become pretty regular at using the substance.

I find hyperspace to be a bit like a mortgage company. At first they love you, welcoming a new customer. But after a while you get in debt. If that debt mounts up too high you need to start paying it back before you can borrow more.

Silly analogy, I know. But the point is valid imo. You've reached the stage where you may have to earn or 'deserve' more hyper-credit.

Integration. Life changes. Psychological changes. Learn (or discover) the lessons you've so far been handed for free.

Okay sure, DMT has been anything but predictable for me. With no clear explanation as far as i can see. Well actually there are two possibilities I am looking into. But lets say your explanation is valid. Could you perhaps provide me with an example, how you live, what you have learned, that has resulted in deserving more credit. So I may assess if I can apply it and be deserving of more credit too. It really would be appreciated.

One of the only things I know for sure is that what I think I know Is nothing in comparison to what I don’t...
Well that and that, the only thing common about common sense is the lack of its employment.

 

[Sockdolager]

Welcome to the Nexus community! It's great to hear you've taken the plunge into the DMT journey.

Your experiences resonate strongly with many seasoned psychonauts. The shift in physical sensations, like feeling your veins turn to ice and struggling to breathe, can be quite unpleasant, but they're generally not dangerous, as DMT is a relatively safe substance.

DMT experiences can vary greatly based on dosage, mindset, and even body chemistry. It sounds like you approached the substance with an open mind, which is crucial.

If you're feeling cold and anxious during your journeys, it might be your body reacting to the intensity and rapid onslaught of sensations, or body reaction to PG, or it could simply be due to a low room temperature. Even experienced users can have times when the experience feels uncomfortable or overwhelming.

Regarding the difference between the 730 mg and the remaining batch, the quality of different batches or the residual compounds left in the vape can affect the experience. I recommend trying vaping pure DMT crystals, as PG vapor can be harmful to your health and could be one of the reasons you felt off, it may have intoxicated your body.

If anxiety is a recurring theme, consider taking some time off to reset. Meditation or grounding exercises can help ease that sense of anxiety when you decide to try again. Trust your intuition, if something feels off, it might be best to take a break or try again with a less potent trip or different methods.
Keep exploring and stay safe. Listening to your body is always the best guide!

I have come to the conclusion that your idea that it has something to do with the PG is likely. I think I am allergic. It just took some time to develop the allergic reaction. I had put the vape away till yesterday. I didn’t get any of my previous unwanted side effects but as I was returning my skin especially my face felt prickly. Clearly an allergic reaction to something. Fortunately that went away after 10 minutes.

I have some spice extracted from MHRB it retains some of the colour of the MHRB, When I crush some of the crystals it is a little bit sticky like there is some residue in it. Can you recommended a process for cleaning up the crystals? How does one get nice dry white crystals from this extraction? Before I try any of it, I want to rule out any possibility of any other substance causing an allergic reaction.

Any advice you can give will be appreciated x3

 

[Sockdolager]

Hi Sockdolager, welcome to the Nexus!

The feeling of "freezing" that you report is common for a lot of people with DMT, including myself. If you take your temperature, you'll see it's in normal bounds, so even if you're shivering you're not in danger. That cold feeling disappears when DMT wears off. Of course, you can take a hot shower to feel more comfortable, but don't worry about your safety in that sense.

That feeling that you need to "breathe manually" so to speak is also common with DMT. I think it comes from a greater awareness of breathing, plus time dilation. But even if you don't breathe voluntarily, you'll keep breathing, so again don't worry about your safety in that sense. A similar experience happens in higher levels of meditation, one apparently stops needing to breathe. In fact, when vaping DMT, during my last pull I can always hold it much easier due to this reason.

As for the lack of visual effects, that's also the DMT, and it's not really known why that can happen. You did right by taking a rest, but there's not much else you can do, really. Prepare your set and setting as much as possible and go in without expectations. Then it will depend on the DMT.

The perceived change in effects could be due to you being more experienced now, and thus able to get bigger hits. You may be experiencing higher doses, and as a consequence experiencing the feeling of cold, breathing, and other common effects.

I would recommend you to start extracting your own DMT. It's roughly as easy as baking a pie from scratch (only you need to take more precautions), and this forum is full of resources to do so. With carts you didn't make yourself, you don't really know what's in it, the real dose, etc. It can potentially be dangerous (contaminated, adulterated, etc.) and it will always be a question mark when anything happens: was it due to an impure or under/overdosed product? Was it even DMT? Plus, there's the ethical factor that some of those devices may be manufactured by criminal organizations.

So I encourage you to take a step towards self-reliance, and extract your own DMT. You will be proud of the end result and will be able to fully trust it. And we're here to help

I have some spice extracted from MHRB it retains some of the colour of the MHRB, When I crush some of the crystals it is a little bit sticky like there is some residue in it. Can you recommended a process for cleaning up the crystals? How does one get nice dry white crystals from this extraction? Before I try any of it, I want to rule out any possibility of any other substance causing an allergic reaction.

Any advice would be appreciated

 

[blig-blug]

some of the colour of the MHRB

Do you mean reddish or brownish? If so, that's very likely base contamination, and you should really re-x them. If it's only yellow, it's not a problem.

Can you recommended a process for cleaning up the crystals? How does one get nice dry white crystals from this extraction?

They may be white or any shade of yellow or even light orange, those colors are normal and fine. If it's any other color, the way to clean it is doing a re-x (recrystallization). Look it up in the search function, but it basically consists of doing a small A/B extraction on your spice using a more selective NPS like heptane to pull, leaving any impurities behind (they won't re-dissolve), and then do a normal freezer precipitation.

 

[purple sticky]

That strange feeling where you don't feel like you're breathing any more is pretty interesting. I've experienced it quite a bit. I usually notice it, then convince myself it doesn't matter because I can't kill myself by holding my own breath.

Anyways, this is just a neurological effect of taking DMT. The classical psychedelics lower the threshold at which your sensory neurons say 'I'm important!' to the brain. This floods the brain with signals telling it to update the model of the world you're experiencing. Your brain is creating a model based on sensory information for you to experience (vision, taste, smell and so on are all part of the model your brain is creating. You're not experiencing the sensory data itself but rather the computed model of that sensory data). It refines this model constantly by adjusting with the incoming sensory data that differs from the model in which we can refer to as 'errors'.

Classical psychedelics reduce the amount of sensory information it takes to create one of these errors. You end up getting so many changes in your sensory data that the brain is having difficulty keeping up with refining the model. This is why you end up with really strange visual artifacts. During a trip, your brain is trying to use object recognition to reduce these errors by finding a model that fits the sensory data. This manifests in those passing patterns you see that appear to be say faces, bugs or even the entities. They can sometimes come and go very quickly, changing with every second because the brain is constantly trying to update the model into something you're familiar with.

This mass influx of errors can't be processed out of the brains model quick enough. The breathing thing comes in because the brain is usually using sensory information to let you know that you're breathing but alongside the mass influx of errors, the brain can't keep up with all the updating/object recognition which I believe ends up not incorporating all the sensory information that would let you know you're still breathing. When you lose the feeling that you're breathing, you can focus on sensory information to indicate that you're breathing although the standard set of sensory data is seemingly not available.

In contrast, something like atropine alkaloids stop the brain from changing its model based on errors. The brain will provide models based on what it is predicting but it's not compared against the errors. This leads to hallucinations where you think somebody is there and out of nowhere, the brain will recognize an error and update your model, they are no longer there. So the brain can go unchecked against sensory data and free to provide you whatever model it thought was necessary for the sensory data at the time.

 

[DM3]

I have some spice extracted from MHRB it retains some of the colour of the MHRB, When I crush some of the crystals it is a little bit sticky like there is some residue in it. Can you recommended a process for cleaning up the crystals? How does one get nice dry white crystals from this extraction? Before I try any of it, I want to rule out any possibility of any other substance causing an allergic reaction.

Just oxidized DMT, nothing to worry about, I would use it right away. Just vape it frow some weed vaporizer.