Are " entities " in the DMT real or just a drug trip illusion?

[pelican burger]

Just a opinion of a few I have.


This one just come to my head though while reading ,
I don’t know thelkwt term is but when you dream the people can warn you of dieing and is believed if you die in a dream it could happen on really life , getting to the point ... maybe DMT is accessing the tools that we have lost ( 5 human senses ) the Egyptians believe we have 365 sensors but they have shut down because we don’t use them any more ( like a muscle )
So maybe these tools are teaching and opening these sensors and the entity’s are actually
The brains way of guiding /helping us,

but maybe it is also connecting us to another realm at the same time or only connecting to a realm and the entity’s are real.

How will we ever know ?

Moses was meant to be tripping while seeing all these signs from god , mayb that’s how my first theory comes on?

Maybe you have an extra sensor from birth that allows you to speak to god ? I’m not Christian btw but I don’t judge

You said something that was very mature and intriguing - You're not a Christian but think i had an extra sensor that let me communicate with God.

I understand it's a hard topic to elaborate on - But could you try ?

Like I've said before - i don't think I'm special or anything so I'm asking for the right reasons.

If you're not a Christian then how do you think my childhood prayer hallucinogenic drug free trips were possible? What was it ?

I'm a Christian - Yet tbh, Even though with my childhood experiences - I'm only 99.9% Christian.

I wish i could say that i believe it all 100%, But i have no idea what happens when we die, So i think me being 99.9% Christian is a realistic attitude.

I've prayed and asked God to give me 100% faith in him, But for whatever reason i think the universe wants me to have some doubt and uncertainty.

But yh, The Egyptian point you brought up was fascinating.

And regarding extra sensors.....After my first breakthrough DMT trip. No joke the next day i woke up and i felt like a vampire or werewolf. --- All of a sudden i could smell the DMT in the bark when i started a new extraction -- I went for a walk in a park and i swear i could smell DMT everywhere. Lol

I remember saying to my friend that it was like a super hero movie getting extra sensors like spiderman after getting bit by the radioactive spider. Lmfao.

And again - I'm just a regular dude, Some atheists detest people with experiences like mine. It can't be explained through scientific means so to them it's all hogwash.

It's a shame that they are missing out. - but as long as someone is happy and doesn't hurt women or children or other people then i don't mind what you believe.

But yh, Your Egyptian point of humans once have way more senses - i would say it's a definite possibility ( because if we don't have access to these extra sensors then we wouldn't even know whatever are missing out on )

And Damn, Those Egyptians were a fascinating bunch. I can't wait to travel there one day

 

[pelican burger]

A loose thought that has been drifting through my head lately, related to this topical theme...

Imo, most people who start advancing wholesale "theories" about the nature of entities/realities/these experiences are, at best, playing linguistic/metaphorical games. They use slick (or not so slick) conceptual or linguistic substitutions to present metaphors as meaning. Metaphors are great, but they don't actually answer "why" questions on the terms of the question.

For a far better explanation of this phenomenon as it relates to physics, see:

[YOUTUBE]

Human knowledge is limited. Human capacity for knowledge is inherently limited. It's the height of arrogance, imo, to assume that our little meat-slab processors have the capacity to understand everything we encounter. Can you teach a duck billed platypus high-level maths?


As an aside, relating to the nature of reality...

If you found out reality was "just a simulation" (whatever that means), what would change for you in your life?

I was just making this same point to someone else. I'm a Christian, But only 99.9%. I wish i could say what happens when we die but God only knows.

And if you look at something like God creating the garden of Eden.... All the trees and were fully formed - Life being a simulation could answer how such a thing is possible.

Let there be light....... Maybe that was the power getting turned on so to speak.

Those are just some random thoughts.

But yh, It's weird. With DMT it's next to impossible to get definitive answers about things - Yet it's a topic so fascinating that it warrants intelligent mature discussion.

I guess for some people after a DMT trip they believe that they have life figured out and were told and shown all the answers.

As long as it doesn't send em on a downwards mental health spiral - Then it's no biggie i guess.

As long as they can be decent enough to let other people have their own beliefs and opinions ✌

 

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Imo, most people who start advancing wholesale "theories" about the nature of entities/realities/these experiences are, at best, playing linguistic/metaphorical games. They use slick (or not so slick) conceptual or linguistic substitutions to present metaphors as meaning. Metaphors are great, but they don't actually answer "why" questions on the terms of the question.

For a far better explanation of this phenomenon as it relates to physics, see:

Yup.

To add to this, imo they're rhetorical models. Can't mistake the map for the territory. Can't mistake the model for the actual thing in and of itself (models concerning these experiences), because beyond our conceptualizations on the phenomenology of these experiences (especially the deeper you go), we fall incredibly short. But falling short isn't a bad thing though imo. that's what makes these experiences incredibly profound and extremely beautiful and awe inspiring.

Human knowledge is limited. Human capacity for knowledge is inherently limited. It's the height of arrogance, imo, to assume that our little meat-slab processors have the capacity to understand everything we encounter. Can you teach a duck billed platypus high-level maths?

Well said. And like I'd said above I think this limitation, in a round-about sort of way is what makes all this a beautiful thing. I think the discussions are cool, but I think it's important that the discussions not become increasingly lofty to the point that we lose sight of the shore.

Edit:

Just to be clear I'm not talking against these things at all. Not saying that these phenomena aren't some form of incorporeal intelligence/s, they could be? They could be multifarious adjuncts/angles of the self, of my own being? Could be everevolving aspects of a place we don't understand, or maybe it's all of these things simultaneously? Tbh I have no clue, even after all these years.

I also think that there's alot of other fascinating aspects to the overall experience aside from the entity phenomena. There's hundreds of threads on these other aspects. It's interesting how the focus can tend to end up on the entity bit, how about the rest of the experience (not diverting the thread, though I'm still going to pose the question for thought)?

 

[burnt]

I thought we settled this question? Just kidding.

I've still never seen anything I would classify as an entity from smoked dmt or oral. But every time I always sense a presence. I hear communication but it always seems to be me communicating with myself even if it doesn't feel like it the moment. I see no reason to think otherwise.

I don't think these questions can be answered within your own mind.

[Edit] Eh maybe its not fair for me to say I've never seen entities. They just take forms that are elusive compared to what I see in other peoples artwork for example.

Anyway consider the following scenarios (or not) when you consider the reality of entities.

One time I was on a bunch of really good lsd. I was with a friend and we were in a wooded park. He was on like 4x as much lsd as me and I was having non-stop continuous rolling visuals. It was spectacular and very intense. At one point we were on this path with trees overhanging like an arch. I looked over at one of the trees and was startled by what I saw. There was what looked like this insect, it was blue and it was large. Like the size of a doll. It seemed to be just sitting there. It had the head of a preying mantis yet it was wearing what looked like a shimmering cape. It was a beautiful looking creature. I didn't question its reality it was so vivid. It turned its head and looked at me. I jumped back I was so startled. I tried to signal to my friend to look at what I was seeing. Reminder he was on 4x as much lsd as me so he didn't even process what I was saying he was so off on his own trip. Anyway I pulled myself away from looking at this creature because it was scary when it noticed me. Like I didn't know if I had pissed it off or disturbed it. Anyway we continued the rest of our trip elsewhere. I couldn't shake the feeling that I had seen this real life living creature the whole rest of the trip.

So eventually I went to sleep. My friend went home. I still couldn't shake this feeling about what I had seen. So I went back to the park. I found the same tree. There was a blue ribbon nailed to the tree. What I saw was a blue ribbon nailed to a tree. :? :roll: :twisted:

I'll talk about the other scenario at another time.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

So eventually I went to sleep. My friend went home. I still couldn't shake this feeling about what I had seen. So I went back to the park. I found the same tree. There was a blue ribbon nailed to the tree. What I saw was a blue ribbon nailed to a tree. :? :roll: :twisted:

Best answer, yet!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[pelican burger]

I thought we settled this question? Just kidding.

I've still never seen anything I would classify as an entity from smoked dmt or oral. But every time I always sense a presence. I hear communication but it always seems to be me communicating with myself even if it doesn't feel like it the moment. I see no reason to think otherwise.

I don't think these questions can be answered within your own mind.

[Edit] Eh maybe its not fair for me to say I've never seen entities. They just take forms that are elusive compared to what I see in other peoples artwork for example.

Anyway consider the following scenarios (or not) when you consider the reality of entities.

One time I was on a bunch of really good lsd. I was with a friend and we were in a wooded park. He was on like 4x as much lsd as me and I was having non-stop continuous rolling visuals. It was spectacular and very intense. At one point we were on this path with trees overhanging like an arch. I looked over at one of the trees and was startled by what I saw. There was what looked like this insect, it was blue and it was large. Like the size of a doll. It seemed to be just sitting there. It had the head of a preying mantis yet it was wearing what looked like a shimmering cape. It was a beautiful looking creature. I didn't question its reality it was so vivid. It turned its head and looked at me. I jumped back I was so startled. I tried to signal to my friend to look at what I was seeing. Reminder he was on 4x as much lsd as me so he didn't even process what I was saying he was so off on his own trip. Anyway I pulled myself away from looking at this creature because it was scary when it noticed me. Like I didn't know if I had pissed it off or disturbed it. Anyway we continued the rest of our trip elsewhere. I couldn't shake the feeling that I had seen this real life living creature the whole rest of the trip.

So eventually I went to sleep. My friend went home. I still couldn't shake this feeling about what I had seen. So I went back to the park. I found the same tree. There was a blue ribbon nailed to the tree. What I saw was a blue ribbon nailed to a tree. :? :roll: :twisted:

I'll talk about the other scenario at another time.

Lol

A funny story i heard once was a group of guys on some hallucinogenic drugs at a beach.

They were all Running and laughing, Until one of them started hovering and flying - the other friends freaked out and thought " oh no, Billy is so High that he's got mind powers now and can levitate !! We better get out of here cos if any cops see us they'll arrest us because we know too much !! "

So they ran and lift Billy levitating at the beach.

A few days later they see some girl who was at the beach that day, She asked " Why did you guys panic so much when billy got caught in that volleyball net ? "

Lol

 

[pelican burger]

And in all serious - With entities.

Even as time goes by and more and more research gets done.

I doubt we'll ever get a definitive answer on entities in the DMT realm.

It is weird though how you can try DMT not knowing about entities and you can still come across em.

I mean I've heard about the mechanical elves so many times but i still haven't seen em, Even though the idea of them is now in my subconcious.

 

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I thought we settled this question? Just kidding.

:twisted:

I've still never seen anything I would classify as an entity from smoked dmt or oral. But every time I always sense a presence. I hear communication but it always seems to be me communicating with myself even if it doesn't feel like it the moment. I see no reason to think otherwise.

Yeah, I don't think I ever have with any oral preps. Only with straight dmt and changa (not many harmalas in the changa).

I don't think these questions can be answered within your own mind.

Yeah, as far as putting the pieces together after an experience, I can't see the brain being able to do that, albet in a very cloddish way. But during the experience what I'll occasionally experience in the place I end up, the entitiy phenomena is very distinct. Though I'm so blown back by the rest of the experience as it's happening that this part only takes a section of my attention.

Eh maybe its not fair for me to say I've never seen entities. They just take forms that are elusive compared to what I see in other peoples artwork for example.

Yeah the artwork's never came close I don't think for me. Same with the whole machineelf bit, I never understood that. But as Ter mentioned in an old talk he said that those words he used were just a gloss, and that they never even came close to the actual things he'd experienced [he said this directly]. I'd expected as much. Never took those terms at face value whatsoever. Just someones interpretations and nothing more/less imo.

The whole experience is incredibly elusive after the fact, not even just the entity bit.

Tbh though, after all these years of taking it, the most life changing, deepest and most profound experiences (can't even stress how instantaneously strong and world shattering these few experiences were) had none of the entitity bit. Blew very quickly past all that. And those are experiences that I never plan to repeat. I'll never forget those couple experiences, ever. The rabbit hole runs very deep..

One time I was on a bunch of really good lsd. I was with a friend and we were in a wooded park. He was on like 4x as much lsd as me and I was having non-stop continuous rolling visuals. It was spectacular and very intense. At one point we were on this path with trees overhanging like an arch. I looked over at one of the trees and was startled by what I saw. There was what looked like this insect, it was blue and it was large. Like the size of a doll. It seemed to be just sitting there. It had the head of a preying mantis yet it was wearing what looked like a shimmering cape. It was a beautiful looking creature. I didn't question its reality it was so vivid. It turned its head and looked at me. I jumped back I was so startled. I tried to signal to my friend to look at what I was seeing. Reminder he was on 4x as much lsd as me so he didn't even process what I was saying he was so off on his own trip. Anyway I pulled myself away from looking at this creature because it was scary when it noticed me. Like I didn't know if I had pissed it off or disturbed it. Anyway we continued the rest of our trip elsewhere. I couldn't shake the feeling that I had seen this real life living creature the whole rest of the trip.

So eventually I went to sleep. My friend went home. I still couldn't shake this feeling about what I had seen. So I went back to the park. I found the same tree. There was a blue ribbon nailed to the tree. What I saw was a blue ribbon nailed to a tree. :? :roll: :twisted:

Lmao

 

[pelican burger]

I thought we settled this question? Just kidding.

:twisted:

I've still never seen anything I would classify as an entity from smoked dmt or oral. But every time I always sense a presence. I hear communication but it always seems to be me communicating with myself even if it doesn't feel like it the moment. I see no reason to think otherwise.

Yeah, I don't think I ever have with any oral preps. Only with straight dmt and changa (not many harmalas in the changa).

I don't think these questions can be answered within your own mind.

Yeah, as far as putting the pieces together after an experience, I can't see the brain being able to do that, albet in a very cloddish way. But during the experience what I'll occasionally experience in the place I end up, the entitiy phenomena is very distinct. Though I'm so blown back by the rest of the experience as it's happening that this part only takes a section of my attention.

Eh maybe its not fair for me to say I've never seen entities. They just take forms that are elusive compared to what I see in other peoples artwork for example.

Yeah the artwork's never came close I don't think for me. Same with the whole machineelf bit, I never understood that. But as Ter mentioned in an old talk he said that those words he used were just a gloss, and that they never even came close to the actual things he'd experienced [he said this directly]. I'd expected as much. Never took those terms at face value whatsoever. Just someones interpretations and nothing more/less imo.

The whole experience is incredibly elusive after the fact, not even just the entity bit.

Tbh though, after all these years of taking it, the most life changing, deepest and most profound experiences (can't even stress how instantaneously strong and world shattering these few experiences were) had none of the entitity bit. Blew very quickly past all that. And those are experiences that I never plan to repeat. I'll never forget those couple experiences, ever. The rabbit hole runs very deep..

One time I was on a bunch of really good lsd. I was with a friend and we were in a wooded park. He was on like 4x as much lsd as me and I was having non-stop continuous rolling visuals. It was spectacular and very intense. At one point we were on this path with trees overhanging like an arch. I looked over at one of the trees and was startled by what I saw. There was what looked like this insect, it was blue and it was large. Like the size of a doll. It seemed to be just sitting there. It had the head of a preying mantis yet it was wearing what looked like a shimmering cape. It was a beautiful looking creature. I didn't question its reality it was so vivid. It turned its head and looked at me. I jumped back I was so startled. I tried to signal to my friend to look at what I was seeing. Reminder he was on 4x as much lsd as me so he didn't even process what I was saying he was so off on his own trip. Anyway I pulled myself away from looking at this creature because it was scary when it noticed me. Like I didn't know if I had pissed it off or disturbed it. Anyway we continued the rest of our trip elsewhere. I couldn't shake the feeling that I had seen this real life living creature the whole rest of the trip.

So eventually I went to sleep. My friend went home. I still couldn't shake this feeling about what I had seen. So I went back to the park. I found the same tree. There was a blue ribbon nailed to the tree. What I saw was a blue ribbon nailed to a tree. :? :roll: :twisted:

Lmao

All of my strongest entity encounters were experiences where i could hear them talking about me but not directly to me. It's as if I'm a meer blip on the radar and they acknowledge me for a brief time before i get blasted off into another part of the trip.

My first DMT trip for example started with some king jester type entity talking to me guiding me through the initial trip, But as i smoked more and blasted off - That's when the unseen entities let their presence be known. - They only let their presence be known however by letting me overhear their conversations with each other.

Regarding the elusive mechanical elves, I'm not fussed about never seeing them - I'm not really fussed about missing out on certain trip experiences because my own are always so damn unique and mind blowing.

With entities - Some that have been visible to me where some mechanical organic robots ( Like Wall-E from that pixar movie ) - They were just scanning me and looking at me and reporting to their boss robot about me.

Some other entities were these organic living mechanical beings with masks, I could see bug whiskers sticking out of the doctor type face masks though. ( these beings found me as my DMT trip kicked off and was intense, Like i was in a crashing space ship with alarms going off - The organic robot bug entities were like an inter dimensional car pit stop at a car race - They fixed my space ship and sent it back on course and i got to experience the rest of the trip.

Another entity experience were these doctor type ghost entities operating on me, At one point it felt like when leaned in and looked at me - It felt like i was a toy in a skill tester machine and some mechanical claw had pulled me up by the chest. After looking at me and telling me to relax it placed me back down and they continued their tests.

My strangest entity experience was during a life changing break through trip, It's impossible to describe this entity - But it was like a constantly shifting rotating wall of angelic celestial interlocking rotating fluid wall of liquid faces. - During this trip the entity tried telling me that I'd strayed too far and had died and wasn't going back to my body. --- i let it know that this wasn't my first rodeo and i knew i was safe - The entity then non chalantly let me know that i was correct and that in fact it's indeed always just me controlling my trips through my conscious and subconscious mind.

I wish i could convey the beauty of this trip - The trip had so much excitement and joy and pure jubilation, It was both an emotional and visual depiction of joy and love and pure unbridled creativity and energy.

- Many of my trips have been entity free, And those trips can be just as mind blowing.

It's interesting how all my first big breakthrough trips had entities guiding me through it though. I didn't really have a trip sitter with me my first through trips - So the entities i saw did it for me.

I mean overall my first big multi hour break through trip had about 4 different distinct parts with different types of entities ( the king jester dude, Some red lipped Aztec God entity, The Wall-E robots , A glowing orange eyed entities in a rain forest that i interpreted as mother nature ( Which later on came back and transformed into a visual depiction of my deceased mother ) . And some NASA mission control type entities who i heard discussing me - Talking to each other about how i managed to get where i was, And if i was ready to turn on some celestial anti death equation time and partical matter device.

The NASA mission control dudes all seemed to be asking permission from a higher up entity to see if i was allowed and ready to get blasted to the next level. ( Then after i got permission, I had an overwhelming intense multi part multi themed trip. I crashed and woke up on a beach on mars and could hear the NASA entities discussing my condition and progress.

The entities i find aren't the ones who communicate with me directly - It's the ones where i overhear them speaking to eachother. I seem to interrupt whatever they were doing and hijack their attention for a moment ( I wish i could experience it where they don't notice me and i can just be a fly on the wall and listen in to whatever they are talking about ) .


But then again maybe if that did happen I might be disappointed, Maybe I'd overhear them complaining about their step mothers or bosses or love lives lol jk jk.

And in all seriousness - I don't know if DMT trips would be bad for people euth mental health issues. ( some people with fragile minds might get too lost on entities and such )

I feel bad that some people might be unlucky and not able to experience the DMT realm without it being too taxing on their mental health. - i could be wrong though, Idk.

But yh, DMT definitely has a treasure trove of interesting aspects to it. It seems to be infinite and never ending.

 

[pelican burger]

The entities i find the most interesting are the elusive ones who i only briefly overheard but who's presence was undoubtable. *

 

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It's as if I'm a meer blip on the radar and they acknowledge me for a brief time before i get blasted off into another part of the trip.

This is how many of my experiences tend to end up going.

I'm not really fussed about missing out on certain trip experiences because my own are always so damn unique and mind blowing.

Mind blowing indeed

With entities - Some that have been visible to me where some mechanical organic robots - They were just scanning me and looking at me and reporting to their boss robot about me.

I've had this scanning numerous times too. There were a few distinct times to where I was reached out and in through the bridge of my nose, the pressure became immense, the vibratory nature of their arms/protrusions had a distinct feel to them.

A couple other times to where they were just waving their arms/w.e in my face, then stepping back slightly and constantly morphing and evolving, within each moment as this was happening it felt like each twist, gyration, color change, flip, gesture was imbued with this intangible essence, with lesson upon lesson that were only applicable during those brief moments during the experience, though after the experience was over, these lessons/communications just fall flat, no translation from those points during the experience til afterwards once the experience was over.

Mechanorganic can be an apt description I agree. That's how it feels to me alot of the time, moreso on the organic side of things.

Another entity experience were these doctor type ghost entities operating on me, At one point it felt like when leaned in and looked at me

As above I've had similar experiences - being leaned in on. Sometimes when I would end up in that place I'd notice they would scale the outsides of the place, staying on the outside, sometimes meeting in the middle, sometimes in my face.

Sometimes it felt like I'd crashed in on a grand party. A massive celebration, this type of experience's happened a lot for me.

My strangest entity experience was during a life changing break through trip, It's impossible to describe this entity - But it was like a constantly shifting rotating wall of angelic celestial interlocking rotating fluid wall of liquid faces.

Interesting and nice description.

I wish i could convey the beauty of this trip - The trip had so much excitement and joy and pure jubilation, It was both an emotional and visual depiction of joy and love and pure unbridled creativity and energy.

:thumb_up:

- Many of my trips have been entity free, And those trips can be just as mind blowing.

100%

And in all seriousness - I don't know if DMT trips would be bad for people with mental health issues. (some people with fragile minds might get too lost on entities and such)

I feel you there. Some of the most profound aspects of these experience for me have been the feelings I get, along with what feels like inherent qualities to the overall place I end up, the overall experience in every moment as it's happening. Those qualities and the feelings I get when I'm there, for me personally those things end up trumping everything else.

I feel bad that some people might be unlucky and not able to experience the DMT realm without it being too taxing on their mental health. - i could be wrong though, Idk.

It's not for everyone, especially if you push your boundaries with the stuff over the course of time. Not condoning it by any means though. The ability to be able to stay with it as it's happening and not become lost in it, or not have it get to the point where so much is happening it becomes impossible to take anything from it or remember.

Ime focus can be very important. Some sort of self repeating rhythmic music has helped me over the years to be able to focus on something (even if the music becomes near non existent or unrecognizable) so that during, if things become far more intense and overwhelming than I'd expected then I have something to hold onto as everything else around me is happening.

*btw I hate to use the word 'they' when describing these parts of the experience, because I really don't have any clue if it's something separate from myself

 

[pelican burger]

It's as if I'm a meer blip on the radar and they acknowledge me for a brief time before i get blasted off into another part of the trip.

This is how many of my experiences tend to end up going.

I'm not really fussed about missing out on certain trip experiences because my own are always so damn unique and mind blowing.

Mind blowing indeed

With entities - Some that have been visible to me where some mechanical organic robots - They were just scanning me and looking at me and reporting to their boss robot about me.

I've had this scanning numerous times too. There were a few distinct times to where I was reached out and in through the bridge of my nose, the pressure became immense, the vibratory nature of their arms/protrusions had a distinct feel to them.

A couple other times to where they were just waving their arms/w.e in my face, then stepping back slightly and constantly morphing and evolving, within each moment as this was happening it felt like each twist, gyration, color change, flip, gesture was imbued with this intangible essence, with lesson upon lesson that were only applicable during those brief moments during the experience, though after the experience was over, these lessons/communications just fall flat, no translation from those points during the experience til afterwards once the experience was over.

Mechanorganic can be an apt description I agree. That's how it feels to me alot of the time, moreso on the organic side of things.

Another entity experience were these doctor type ghost entities operating on me, At one point it felt like when leaned in and looked at me

As above I've had similar experiences - being leaned in on. Sometimes when I would end up in that place I'd notice they would scale the outsides of the place, staying on the outside, sometimes meeting in the middle, sometimes in my face.

Sometimes it felt like I'd crashed in on a grand party. A massive celebration, this type of experience's happened a lot for me.

My strangest entity experience was during a life changing break through trip, It's impossible to describe this entity - But it was like a constantly shifting rotating wall of angelic celestial interlocking rotating fluid wall of liquid faces.

Interesting and nice description.

I wish i could convey the beauty of this trip - The trip had so much excitement and joy and pure jubilation, It was both an emotional and visual depiction of joy and love and pure unbridled creativity and energy.

:thumb_up:

- Many of my trips have been entity free, And those trips can be just as mind blowing.

100%

And in all seriousness - I don't know if DMT trips would be bad for people with mental health issues. (some people with fragile minds might get too lost on entities and such)

I feel you there. Some of the most profound aspects of these experience for me have been the feelings I get, along with what feels like inherent qualities to the overall place I end up, the overall experience in every moment as it's happening. Those qualities and the feelings I get when I'm there, for me personally those things end up trumping everything else.

I feel bad that some people might be unlucky and not able to experience the DMT realm without it being too taxing on their mental health. - i could be wrong though, Idk.

It's not for everyone, especially if you push your boundaries with the stuff over the course of time. Not condoning it by any means though. The ability to be able to stay with it as it's happening and not become lost in it, or not have it get to the point where so much is happening it becomes impossible to take anything from it or remember.

Ime focus can be very important. Some sort of self repeating rhythmic music has helped me over the years to be able to focus on something (even if the music becomes near non existent or unrecognizable) so that during, if things become far more intense and overwhelming than I'd expected then I have something to hold onto as everything else around me is happening.

*btw I hate to use the word 'they' when describing these parts of the experience, because I really don't have any clue if it's something separate from myself

It's difficult talking about DMT trips hey ? Certain words just don't feel correct.

And its always awesome to meet someone who understands and relates to my trip reports. Some people can't relate to my trips, And when i ask em what their trips are like they can't really explain it. They say it's too weird and alien to explain and that they forget a lot of it by the time the trip is over.

Talk about unlucky - My trip reports don't capture the multi dimensional beyond 3d feeling of the trip of the trip. But luckily i can remember certain distinct parts.

And yh, With the ghost Alien entity doctors - I know what you mean about feeling a pressure.

During all my first DMT trips, When what is known as an entity appears - It would feel like i was slipping in and out of reality. It's like a tug of war between my physical body and mind.

I'd often feel a strong feeling of pressure on my eyes face and skull. It would feel as though my skull was in a car crusher getting crushed into a cube.... At this point I'm able to overhear a tiny part of what the group of entities are talking about. ( they basically tell me to relax and just go with it ) Once they noticed me and decided if i was ready, That would always be the point where I'd completely leave my body and the pressure on my skull will go because I've broken through.

With all my trips so far - I find that entities can be categorized in a few groups.

One is the organic machine entity ( like something out of that metropolis movie ) They are machine like but with organic souls and personalities-- These tend to be the worker bee entities, Or the entities that manage the DMT entrance portal.

-The other type is like a religious Figure type outer space entity.

There's a few other types, But i can't describe those. I only have vague foggy memories of them.

One of my most profound entity experiences was a sentient entity that doesn't mind me seeing it's face, But it's face is so awe inspiring and amazing that i can't really describe it

( Go figure, An elusive entity finally let's me see its face in close detail But when i do it's beyond mind blowing lol ) - I'm referring to the wall of constantly shifting rotating flexible bubbling constantly moving
wall of celestial faces - It had textures like a coral reef in the ocean, Everywhere I'd look I'd notice some new colour or texture that I'd never seen before --- Imagine like the greatest CGI effects Hollywood can whip up times a trillion. this particular trip was educational, Because the entity told me I'd strayed to far and had died and was never going back to my body. - I remember thinking that i knew it couldn't be correct, You can't die from DMT, And besides, I've survived every other DMT trip.

Then the entity let me know " correct, Your subconscious and conscious mind controlls all of your trip experiences - It's been this way since the start "

The reason why this was educational was it basically taught me how to approach and manage my trips. On the odd occasion that a trip gets unpleasant- I've found that if i don't panic, That the trip can get back on track and become pleasurable again.

It was also educational because the entity that let me see it's true form the most Was the one that was most honest with me.

Oh and you talking about the entity experience where it feels like you're crashing a party - I've experienced something like that. But in my trips it's quite egotistical. The trip experience is me smoking DMT and then being able to hear many many different entity voices say " yippeee he's back yay he's here woo hoo !! "

( it could be my subconscious excited that I'm back, So the entity voices i hear are translating that emotion for me, idk )

It's weird, Because i definitely believe in life after death, And although i find the occurrence of entities in the DMT realm fascinating, I honestly don't know what to make of them.

Perhaps it's best if we don't know. - And yh, It's unfortunate that people with strong mental health problems might not be suitable for experiencing DMT.

I mean it's always up to the person, But i could see it triggering psychotic episodes in people who are prone to that type of thing. It's a shame especially considering that DMT can help greatly with things like depression.

And thanks again - I'm glad someone could relate so much to my trips. And I'm always appreciative of people who can remember distinct parts of their trips too.

And if you don't mind me asking - Can you remember much about your first ever DMT trip ?? If so can you remember much from it ?

If not it's all good. Cheers ✌

 

[Handel]

Given that I was told the future via lucid dreaming 3 times so far, and that an entity saved me in my last (supposedly) lsd trip (with real physiological changes to my body that my sitter can attest to -- I wrote about it on the lsd subforum), it is my personal opinion that these entities are objectively real. We can only communicate with them via an internet of consciousness rather than traveling to a physical place, but nonetheless, they were always here and always be. In my opinion, this Twin Peaks book excerpt is the best (non) explanation of what is going on that encompasses not only dmt entities, but ufos, and all the paranormal in general:

Jacques Vallee book that marries all these different disciplines as part of the same phenomena, and also explains how these entities also created the various religions, is the best read on the subject.

We are not alone. The multiverse is full of life. Interconnected life. We are simply in a quarantine because you're not sharing launch codes with monkeys. Not just yet.

 

[Jagube]

During DMT trips, Do people just have drug induced trips or do we access another dimension.

What's the difference between the two? Aren't they the same thing?

 

[pelican burger]

During DMT trips, Do people just have drug induced trips or do we access another dimension.

What's the difference between the two? Aren't they the same thing?

Yes i kind of worded it pretty clumsily in my first comment.

A better way to word it would be " after a DMT trip, Do the entities we see cease to exist just because the trip is over - Or do they continue existing in their own existence or reality ??

I was basically just curious about peoples opinions on the whole entity phenomenon and wanted to hear some interesting thoughts and stories.

 

[pelican burger]

Given that I was told the future via lucid dreaming 3 times so far, and that an entity saved me in my last (supposedly) lsd trip (with real physiological changes to my body that my sitter can attest to -- I wrote about it on the lsd subforum), it is my personal opinion that these entities are objectively real. We can only communicate with them via an internet of consciousness rather than traveling to a physical place, but nonetheless, they were always here and always be. In my opinion, this Twin Peaks book excerpt is the best (non) explanation of what is going on that encompasses not only dmt entities, but ufos, and all the paranormal in general:

Jacques Vallee book that marries all these different disciplines as part of the same phenomena, and also explains how these entities also created the various religions, is the best read on the subject.

We are not alone. The multiverse is full of life. Interconnected life. We are simply in a quarantine because you're not sharing launch codes with monkeys. Not just yet.

I absolutely loved that twin peaks video. And while tripping you got told the future a few times and it came true.... Care to elaborate ?? Because that soubds fascinating. ( Someone once posted a podcast clip on the nexus, Some guy had a powerful psilocybin mushroom trip where they saw all dead animal corpses around him -- A few days later he was in a wood cabin and there was a strong snow storm which killed a lot of animal live stock which left a lot of animal corpses surrounding the cabin he was staying in ) . Sounds similar to your experience.

And i tell you what, I find it weird and confusing being a Christian who's into DMT and had many entity experiences.

I think the occurrence of entities helps make DMT seem way more intriguing and mystical when compared to other types of substances.

During my first ever strong breakthrough DMT trip, An overall vibe i got was that i got to see what was behind the curtains of the universe so to speak.

It was extremely life affirming. I'd already believed in a life after death, But after DMT it just got affirmed even more so.

However..... As time has gone by, The excitement regarding entities has somewhat dulled. I guess it's because i can have amazing trips without seeing any entities, And secondly, With the entities i have seen, They never really tell me anything i don't know.

I don't get to learn much about them either - Basically what normally happens is by the time they notice me and i notice them, A few seconds later I'm blasted off into another part of the trip ( At times, After being blasted into a different part of the trip. Sometimes the entities can come back - But again, Their appearance will only be quite brief before i get blasted to a different part of the trip.

The vibe i get from those type of entities is that they are serious and mature. I get the impression as if those entities have a serious job, They are like gate keepers to the DMT realm. Like it's their responsibility to keep track of people passing through the DMT realm gateway.

But at the same time, It's like their job is so busy that they don't have time to get caught up or interested in discovering a human in the DMT realm.

The closest real life comparison i can think of would be being a person having an operation and you wake up during the operation. The doctors are taking their job seriously, But at the same time while operating on you they are making small talk and talking about their kids and pets and what they are going to do on their vacation lol ---- And once they notice that you've awoken mid operation, They don't panic, They just lean in and tell you to relax and increase your anesthesia.

But it's weird because there's many different types of entities seemingly with their own unique quirks and personalities and motives. ( like i was just describing the more serious studious DMT realm gate keeper type beings, But There also seem to be entities who are quite silly and carefree and non serious and non studious ) .

It's kind of like the huge spectrum of personality traits you find in our real lives.

It's definitely strange how they can seem to have their own unique personalities.

It's awesome that you have a lot of faith and trust in them.

And your twin peaks clip reminded me of a movie called the mothman prophecies - It's an urban legend type film, But the mothman entity haunts certain people, And when they are visited it's like a drug trip - The mothman entity tells them things that are going to happen in the future and it comes true.

One creepy scene is a guy who's extremely skeptical of the mothman entity who is in a hotel room - He gets a phone call and wakes up and answers the phone, Instantly he can hear a hypnotizing static sound ( something all people visitby the mothman all claimed ) ----- the entity claimed to be all knowing so the skeptical dude held up one hand and said " how many fingers am i holding up ?? "

The mothman on the phone guessed correctly.

The skeptical man asks how it could see him, Was there a camera in the room ?

The mothman told the man to pick up any book and pick a random page.

The man did it and the mothman would correctly read out loud verbatim word for word the various chapters of different books that the skeptical man would look at.

I think the man then experienced a heavy vibrating feeling and could see sparkling floating lights fill up the room. ( i think the skeptical guy assumes he might have a brain tumour or something - Which was his best way of trying to explain away the experience ) .

It's a movie that's supposedly based on a real story and the various eye witness accounts of the mothman. ( in real life, After the mothman encounters, It was believed to have been seen on a bridge that collapsed - So ut was speculated that it was communicating with people as some way of warning ) .

I feel quite silly mentioning the movie especially since it's based on an urban legend. But your twin peaks clip reminded me of it heavily - Especially the themes discussed and the tone of it.

 

[○]

And if you don't mind me asking - Can you remember much about your first ever DMT trip ?? If so can you remember much from it ?

Sure, a bit of backstory.

I remember some of it. It was in 2007-08. A good friends brother had the white/yellow freebase at the time. We were sitting in his downstairs studio apartment, just me and him. He was a meth cook/addict oddly enough, still funny to me how that was the first person that I'd be introduced to dmt from. He was a good dude though, I had no issue with him really.

The lighting was fairly dim, with this lamp off to the one side casting shadows on everything in the room. He had this pretty giant stereo system at the time which he had hooked up to his laptop. We'd both been really into electronic music at the time, so he'd went flipping through and ended up switching on this song. If you fast forward to 1:00 into the song, that's when he'd began to light the pipe. My experience began around that 1:00 mark.

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He had me lay back in this giant recliner chair, holding a chillum over top of me. I think he'd had some ash in the bottom of it, while he put a nice sized bit of dmt on top. He certainly knew how to vaporize the stuff though, because first toke I got a pretty nice thick hit, held for about 10 seconds, blew out.

The second hit is what got me. As I took it in, not even a few seconds after getting it into my lungs, I remember that 1:00 mark of that song and how the experience had started. I had gotten the high pitched frequency tone and cellophane sound that Terence had talked about. This was the only time I'd gotten these sounds. Haven't ever since. The experience just a few seconds in already was becoming pretty strong.

I remember looking at his face. It froze in spacetime. Froze, split open around all the edges and contours, with the shadows being cast from the low lighting - his face had looked like some hypercolored tribal mask. All of the contours and lines opening into these gyrating, spinning, snake like, highly colored 4D concentrically joined dimensions. This was when I'd closed my eyes.

The entity bit was there. Very vivid (as always for me), was clear. Started out with all the galaxies, their formations, working down to showing single cell life, amoeba like forms and whatnot, subatomic level. They would come in and show these different stages of life. Once things had gotten broken down to cellular life and the subatomic, from what I remember - then they reversed, working out to showing from single cell life out back to the galaxies.

Oddly enough once things had gotten scaled back out to the galaxies, eventually it came back recursively to me and how I was tied in with this experience and how things were happening in that space. It seemed to all be innately tied into my own subjective experience as a human being experiencing life.

I remember as the experience began to subside I started to hear and recognize the music that has been playing again. I remember still sitting there with my eyes closed and seeing these entities/forms, standing somewhat back from my view in that domed place/space, waving. I definitely won't forget the waving bit. That's one thing that's stuck with me for some reason.

Also for me this song was epic haha.

That's about what I can remember. Wasn't trying to type a book here lol.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

So eventually I went to sleep. My friend went home. I still couldn't shake this feeling about what I had seen. So I went back to the park. I found the same tree. There was a blue ribbon nailed to the tree. What I saw was a blue ribbon nailed to a tree. :? :roll: :twisted:

Alternatively, the buggy overlord recognized that parking itself on the blue ribbon was the perfect camouflage should sober you decide to do a veracity check.

:lol: :twisted:

 

[pelican burger]

And if you don't mind me asking - Can you remember much about your first ever DMT trip ?? If so can you remember much from it ?

Sure, a bit of backstory.

I remember some of it. It was in 2007-08. A good friends brother had the white/yellow freebase at the time. We were sitting in his downstairs studio apartment, just me and him. He was a meth cook/addict oddly enough, still funny to me how that was the first person that I'd be introduced to dmt from. He was a good dude though, I had no issue with him really.

The lighting was fairly dim, with this lamp off to the one side casting shadows on everything in the room. He had this pretty giant stereo system at the time which he had hooked up to his laptop. We'd both been really into electronic music at the time, so he'd went flipping through and ended up switching on this song. If you fast forward to 1:00 into the song, that's when he'd began to light the pipe. My experience began around that 1:00 mark.

[youtube]

He had me lay back in this giant recliner chair, holding a chillum over top of me. I think he'd had some ash in the bottom of it, while he put a nice sized bit of dmt on top. He certainly knew how to vaporize the stuff though, because first toke I got a pretty nice thick hit, held for about 10 seconds, blew out.

The second hit is what got me. As I took it in, not even a few seconds after getting it into my lungs, I remember that 1:00 mark of that song and how the experience had started. I had gotten the high pitched frequency tone and cellophane sound that Terence had talked about. This was the only time I'd gotten these sounds. Haven't ever since. The experience just a few seconds in already was becoming pretty strong.

I remember looking at his face. It froze in spacetime. Froze, split open around all the edges and contours, with the shadows being cast from the low lighting - his face had looked like some hypercolored tribal mask. All of the contours and lines opening into these gyrating, spinning, snake like, highly colored 4D concentrically joined dimensions. This was when I'd closed my eyes.

The entity bit was there. Very vivid (as always for me), was clear. Started out with all the galaxies, their formations, working down to showing single cell life, amoeba like forms and whatnot, subatomic level. They would come in and show these different stages of life. Once things had gotten broken down to cellular life and the subatomic, from what I remember - then they reversed, working out to showing from single cell life out back to the galaxies.

Oddly enough once things had gotten scaled back out to the galaxies, eventually it came back recursively to me and how I was tied in with this experience and how things were happening in that space. It seemed to all be innately tied into my own subjective experience as a human being experiencing life.

I remember as the experience began to subside I started to hear and recognize the music that has been playing again. I remember still sitting there with my eyes closed and seeing these entities/forms, standing somewhat back from my view in that domed place/space, waving. I definitely won't forget the waving bit. That's one thing that's stuck with me for some reason.

Also for me this song was epic haha.

That's about what I can remember. Wasn't trying to type a book here lol.

That's a great song. It's great how you can remember so much. Like i said, Some people forget most of it. - I'm lucky cos i can remember a lot of it.

One small regret i have about DMT is researching it so much ( i mean it's best to be safe, But i wish i went in blind ) .

But having said that, Even after researching it for months, It still didn't come close to preparing me for how awesome it would be.

It's like there's an invisible unlimited stream of momentum and creativity and passion and inspiration all around us. DMT helps you tap into it.

Something DMT helped me with as well was mediation - Before DMT if i tried to mediate I'd just hear thoughts racing Through my head non stop. But now i can do it just fine.

Not only that, But even when I'm sober from DMT for awhile - When mediating, I can start to see visuals.

Obviously they aren't as intense and powerful as a real DMT trip, But even still, It's pretty damn cool.

Thanks for sharing your first trip story.

 

[Arkens]

Hey man, i was wo deri g the same thing. I only met two entities, they didn't talk to me. They where just there. Ki d of examining me.

One was wa beautifull dark skinned woman with a hairdo knoted up above the head.
The other was an old dude, really wrinkly looked like a native american, kinda like a shaman. He poked me.

The funny thing is i met them a few days before my bro and wife smoked for the first time. And bothe of them described meeting the exact same beings i met. My brother meg the old wrinkly shaman, my wife the beautifull lady.
I have not mentioned my contact to neither of them. So there is that.

It felt like i was somewhere, i felt the poke.

It could still be just dreams we share, we three are very connected.

Love and peace