Uncle Knucles said:
That stick up your ass is making you cranky. If you don't care for the product or price, by all means don't buy their shirts, but there's no need to get on a soapbox and preach like you're psychedelic Ralph Nader.
These guys are making an attractive product. They operate within a free market economy. It's their investment, their creation, their prerogative to set their price. If the demand is there, people will pay it. If not, I guess they won't. Go price out some designer t-shirts at Macy's one of these days. Try Barney's or Nordstrom or any department store; go price out Obey or Affliction.
$32 ain't all that egregious as far as I'm concerned. Regardless, they're trying to earn a living selling something they've made themselves. They're not using Chinese slave wage children like the ones who made your Nikes, so save your righteous indignation for something that actually matters.
Woah, why don't you step off your high horse for a second there. I never demeaned the product, I simply stated how this could be done cheaper without the use of Chinese child laborers. I did not know the process in which they printed these shirts, so I asked, while asserting how these could have been made cheaper. And yes, it is a free market, but some people such as myself care about how far their dollar can take them. I never said that nobody should buy or not buy their products, simply that their are American shirt companies who don't outsource their labor. Quit implying that I was crude, mad, or in any way "cranky".
fractalic said:
to Cosmic rift!
It is really OK that you don’t like my designs, different people have different tastes and opinions, but I really can’t understand why you have to get so bitter about it? in what way could these t-shirts have offended you so much?
You have misunderstood me, I do not dislike your designs and have not shown any contempt. Some of them are remarkable. I do not believe however, that the amount of effort put into each design coordinates with the price. This was nothing more than a remark that stems from the work in which I have personally done with fractals and c4ds.
fractalic said:
about printing prices- you should really try to avoid talking about matters you don’t know about. apparently you have no idea about the prices of a full printed t-shirt. there is no other way to do it properly, because there is no machinery who can print a full stitched t-shirt. The only way to do it is to print piece by piece as we do it- and this method take allot of time, you can ask any professionals printer. Believe me, we did a huge research, and talked to all the printers around our country, and none of them wanted to do this kind of hard work.
Sure - big western companies (in the sake of the costumers) usually do this kind of hard work in china, using cheap children labor, but this is not our way to make a living.
Avoid talking about matters I don't know about? You were obviously offended by my post but this does not give you the right to be hostile. If I didn't make such an inquiry I wouldn't know the process in which you printed these. But quit with this Chinese labor bullshit because it is a fact that their are cheaper ways to do such in the USA without outsourcing the work. If you cannot find such places than I will be glad to help if you inquire, without any sign of resentfulness or hostility, as you have so gracefully shown me.
fractalic said:
I wonder why you believe “art and entrepreneurship should not exist together”, do you really believe that artist should be slaves to the “high” aesthetic taste dictated by the upper classes, in aim of decorating their big bourgeois houses?
Or maybe an artist should feet his art to the demand of big corporation, waiting obediently for them to buy his art?
For me, the biggest motivation for art is mainly freedom, and freedom always goes along quite well with the idea of being independent.
This wasn't a personal attack, despite the two I have thereafter received, and apparently my logic wasn't well elaborated nor interpreted. I do not believe big business and art should be mixed however, this is obviously not the case. I don't know how you jump from my quote to "[artists being] slaves to the "high" aesthetic taste dictated by the upper classes". Art
should be for the masses to enjoy and not make a profit. Do not be so quick to judge what I believe. Due to your comments I have to disregard viewpoints that you ever so falsely assumed I had. If asked, I would have elaborated my views without any scorn. Now you have jumped to multiple conclusions and have depicted my thoughts as the opposite of what they are. My post was forthcoming but not offensive, unlike yours.
