Ok, so swims second attempt. Swim had 200 grams of MHRB ground it up and put 100 grams into glass jar that had been mixed with 1500 ml water 100g pure lye. Let it soak and agitated for about an hour. First couple of pulls produced little to nothing, so swim evaperated half of one of the two pulls and all of the second. The one that was fully evaped left sticky stuff with few crystals at the bottom of the jar that swim was unable to scrape off. The one that was half evapped and refozen produced many little crystals. Swim did 4-5 more pulls producing fairly decent amnt of crystals. Swim then poured off all naptha through coffee filters and collected as much spice as possible in the filters. Swim was happy with the amnt of spice. He then put a little napthy at the bottom of each jar including the first fully evapped jar and swirled it around and put into glass pie pan to try and collect that last bit. WIth the decent amnt of crystals swim had in coffee filters he tried to clean with ammonia. This is where it all went wrong. Ammonia didnt go through the filters and just sat there and made all of swims spice disapear (about .7 grams.) This was very upsetting to swim. Now swim has the glass pie pan in the freezer with one final pull that was sitting in the MHRB Lye mix for 2 full days, as well as the bit from the bottom of each jar that was swirled around with the left overs, and in the same pie container is the naptha that was filterd through the coffee filters. That is three different things (one part main pull, one part filterd naptha and one part leftovers from jars. Swim then went ahead and (starting over) mixed water/lye again putting the last 100g of bark that swim had. Swim waited 2 hours letting mixter soak, then took two pulls (3 times agatitated and then put into jars and then into freezer) Swim has a final naptha bath in the jar waiting to be seperated till tomorrow. Swim plans to do some more pulls from the jar once the old naptha is filtered again (because swim is out of fresh naptha) Also one last thing each naptha pull was 100 ML of naptha put into jar agitated for 1-2 mins left to sit for 10-15 mins (repeated 3 times) Unless otherwise noted such as the times it was left for multiple days. Swim really wants to see hyperspace and is worried about waisting his precouse spice due to cleaning next time. Should swim just let the ammonia get colder this time (half frozen) and test it on coffee filters with no spice in them to make sure it goes through. Or are there any other recomendations. I hear that the best option is recrystalization but swim is confused by all the recrystalization teks he has read and is afraid he will mess that up. The easier the better thanks in advance.
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So you made the same mistake twice .?! ... You will have to wash it (again) ... and you'll make a mess again ... And still you don't know what you're doing ... ?!
I would have done an acid-base separation with at least the second half ... but oh well, learn slow, be safe, and just order more MHRB !
I know nothing about the Lye-Eaters (someone will come to your 'rescue'..), but here's my "easy" advice-
Next time soak at least 150g ground MHRB in 1.5 litres of water at pH 2.0 - 4.0 first, for just one day, two times, shaking it as hard as you want ! Filter that, and there's ALL the dmt in 150g MHRB, in a purple solution you can store in teh fridge. Now basify the purple water (make it jet-black, pH 11.5)with naphtha present, do 3 pulls and it's all out ! Evap in a tray and it's ready to smoke - no washing needed and you'll get max yeild from the MHRB (0.7 - 0.9% clean!).
Sorry everyone - but See what I mean..!? Lye-swilling newbies end up confused, doing extra steps to loose yeild , and/or smoking crap. Time to write the book called "STB for Dummies" ... That would be a much thicker book on the shelf next to the "Acid-Base Separation For Dummies" booklet.
In fact do people not ask about acid-base sep's as often since they are just not done, or because the A-B tek is so truly "easy" to get right..? YOu see so few "HELP! ... " threads about A-B teks, no ? Are people just doing STB, and teaching STB..? Maybe I'm the out-moded 'dummy', all old-fashioned and paternalistically stuck in 'knowing' my biased shit, but who are these lye-eaters..!?..?! We should take a poll (..again ?) !
I would have done an acid-base separation with at least the second half ... but oh well, learn slow, be safe, and just order more MHRB !
I know nothing about the Lye-Eaters (someone will come to your 'rescue'..), but here's my "easy" advice-
Next time soak at least 150g ground MHRB in 1.5 litres of water at pH 2.0 - 4.0 first, for just one day, two times, shaking it as hard as you want ! Filter that, and there's ALL the dmt in 150g MHRB, in a purple solution you can store in teh fridge. Now basify the purple water (make it jet-black, pH 11.5)with naphtha present, do 3 pulls and it's all out ! Evap in a tray and it's ready to smoke - no washing needed and you'll get max yeild from the MHRB (0.7 - 0.9% clean!).
Sorry everyone - but See what I mean..!? Lye-swilling newbies end up confused, doing extra steps to loose yeild , and/or smoking crap. Time to write the book called "STB for Dummies" ... That would be a much thicker book on the shelf next to the "Acid-Base Separation For Dummies" booklet.
In fact do people not ask about acid-base sep's as often since they are just not done, or because the A-B tek is so truly "easy" to get right..? YOu see so few "HELP! ... " threads about A-B teks, no ? Are people just doing STB, and teaching STB..? Maybe I'm the out-moded 'dummy', all old-fashioned and paternalistically stuck in 'knowing' my biased shit, but who are these lye-eaters..!?..?! We should take a poll (..again ?) !
I dont think he made the same mistake twice im pretty sure the mistake came from the ammonia not the "lye". He had a bunch of pretty white powder before the ammonia washed it all away. Should i do a taste test or something next time? Maybe no need to even use the ammonia? MOre advice on that step would be appreciated. As for not using the AB tek its because the directions seem long winded and the materials seem harder to find and more complicated. just mho
So - someone should explain how ammonia washes work. It should not have disappeared, right.!? Was it ammonia..?
If it was dmt, then I thought ammonia will only rinse away lye (OH-) impurities, and the dmt stays in the filter. Then you dry the dmt in the filter as the ammonia solution will evaporate out with the water.. .that's it, right..?
Washing your yeild, or having to wash means the tek was 'sloppy' or prone to contaminants getting in the NP-solvent. I still think that if you can avoid washing and make pure, ready-to-go dmt in less steps, you are not making a mistake with precious MHRB.
If it was dmt, then I thought ammonia will only rinse away lye (OH-) impurities, and the dmt stays in the filter. Then you dry the dmt in the filter as the ammonia solution will evaporate out with the water.. .that's it, right..?
Washing your yeild, or having to wash means the tek was 'sloppy' or prone to contaminants getting in the NP-solvent. I still think that if you can avoid washing and make pure, ready-to-go dmt in less steps, you are not making a mistake with precious MHRB.
well i thought the reason that it all dissapeared was because the ammonia wouldnt go through the filter it just sat there wouldnt drain through at all so i had to pour it off as careful as i could but it messed it up and he wasnt able to save any spice. Swim already filtered a bit more from another jar and its dried white crystaly substance. Swim tasted it a lil and it doesnt burn just tastes a little chemically and sour/bitter. Im thinking he there should be no ammonia rinse when all the spice is collected this time around.
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AMMONIA WASH IS A WASTE OF TIME AND SPICE there are to many threads were people complain about losing spice with ammonia if you want clean spice just recrystalize and if you do the “lye eater” tek correctly you should end up with pure white fluff spice and not have to wash or recrystalize