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- Thread starter Binary Drool
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Binary Drool said:
get off the computer and go lay down in the dark
Binary Drool
Rising Star
Hm... very mild. It was like a clear headed mushroom trip. visual acuity. What's my next step? increasing the harmalas a bit or dmt? changing duration of administration, taking at the same time? any suggestions from people who have experience with pharma would be greatly appreciated.
I've been having great results with taking a Harmala capsule and an hour and a half later drinking the DMT-containing drink (for me i use the actual plant source, make a tea, cleanse it with egg whites and the resulting tea is very easy to ingest). Doing this, has been a surefire way for me.
DesykaLamgeenie
Rising Star
Binary Drool said:
Do you mean orally? (swallowed) As far as I know oral DMT isn't effective with sublingual MAOI, but at the same time I would think 150mg sublingual harmalas would be ridiculously strong on it's own.
Either way, I'm with ymer - swallowing both the DMT and harmalas in a single mixed solution is the best way for me.
Binary Drool said:
Although it is ideal to nail the pharma dosage and administration, if you end up being disappointed with the way your pharma trip is playing out, and you want to instantly remedy that, a small hit or two of DMT is all you'll need to completely jump-start your situation in an epic way. Just be careful cause you'll need less DMT than usual, and the harmalas make the onset slightly delayed by 10-15 seconds. A big warning, cause things can get pretty intense, but for myself personally, smoking DMT on pharma (or aya) is often my favorite part of the experience.
PrimalWisdom
Everything the light touches
Hey Binary Drool
Yeah Global hit the nail on the head, a hit or 2 of DMT or changa can really kick things into gear if there's not much going on.
After 5 successful pharma journeys and 3 failed ones I've tweaked and changed my ROA and dose to eventually be what I think is the perfect pharma exp, well for me anyway.
I dissolve 200mgs of Rue FB harmalas (I don't get nausea from harmalas at all so you might want to use your body as an indicator of your best dose, I also like a lot of harmalas in general) in a shot glass of lemon juice - it dissolves quickly, and at fridge or room temp. This turns the FB into salts that are easier to digest/absorb, from what I've read.
Once I feel the slightest effects of the harmalas I take 75mgs of FB DMT crystals and dissolve them in warm lemon juice - it does help it dissolve, but room temp also works with stirring. This also aids in their absorption and I find less nausea and discomfort is present - DMT always makes me wretch the minute it hits my gut.
I spend a bit of time just feeling the harmalas and clearing my head - maybe 15 mins, after I'm satisfied that I'm in the right head space to travel I say a final few words to the universe/cosmos, basically just a bit about not being too harsh on me, explaining my intentions etc... (I honestly find this helps me and the harmalas have seriously kicked in bu this time) Then I down the DMT in lemon juice.
anywhere from 45 to 90 minutes later the first prominent effects start, from there the experience seems to flow nicely, coming in waves, if I find it's too subtle or I want to extend it a bit a hit of changa usually tilts me in the right direction again.
This ROA has worked for me every time and has been a lot gentler on my body than just capping both or just eating both.
If anyone thinks my ROA could be better please let me know. I'm at that point where I'd like to up my DMT to 90mgs or so, but if I could get more out of 75mgs any other way that'd be great.
Best of luck, you won't be sorry when you get the dosage right, just work your way up slowly.
And yes - best to just find somewhere comfy and lie back. If you get the dose right you probably won't be able to use your computer for a little while anyway
Ancotar: how long would you say it took for you to feel the effects from taking them at the same time? I've been toying with this idea, but I find 30-45 mins between rue and DMT is perfect for me, it just takes a while to actually get going, and can vary in time quite a bit.
Peace, and happy travels
Yeah Global hit the nail on the head, a hit or 2 of DMT or changa can really kick things into gear if there's not much going on.
After 5 successful pharma journeys and 3 failed ones I've tweaked and changed my ROA and dose to eventually be what I think is the perfect pharma exp, well for me anyway.
I dissolve 200mgs of Rue FB harmalas (I don't get nausea from harmalas at all so you might want to use your body as an indicator of your best dose, I also like a lot of harmalas in general) in a shot glass of lemon juice - it dissolves quickly, and at fridge or room temp. This turns the FB into salts that are easier to digest/absorb, from what I've read.
Once I feel the slightest effects of the harmalas I take 75mgs of FB DMT crystals and dissolve them in warm lemon juice - it does help it dissolve, but room temp also works with stirring. This also aids in their absorption and I find less nausea and discomfort is present - DMT always makes me wretch the minute it hits my gut.
I spend a bit of time just feeling the harmalas and clearing my head - maybe 15 mins, after I'm satisfied that I'm in the right head space to travel I say a final few words to the universe/cosmos, basically just a bit about not being too harsh on me, explaining my intentions etc... (I honestly find this helps me and the harmalas have seriously kicked in bu this time) Then I down the DMT in lemon juice.
anywhere from 45 to 90 minutes later the first prominent effects start, from there the experience seems to flow nicely, coming in waves, if I find it's too subtle or I want to extend it a bit a hit of changa usually tilts me in the right direction again.
This ROA has worked for me every time and has been a lot gentler on my body than just capping both or just eating both.
If anyone thinks my ROA could be better please let me know. I'm at that point where I'd like to up my DMT to 90mgs or so, but if I could get more out of 75mgs any other way that'd be great.
Best of luck, you won't be sorry when you get the dosage right, just work your way up slowly.
And yes - best to just find somewhere comfy and lie back. If you get the dose right you probably won't be able to use your computer for a little while anyway
Ancotar: how long would you say it took for you to feel the effects from taking them at the same time? I've been toying with this idea, but I find 30-45 mins between rue and DMT is perfect for me, it just takes a while to actually get going, and can vary in time quite a bit.
Peace, and happy travels
PrimalWisdon,
I would say I felt the effects from both probably about an hour from the time I took my OJ shot and MAOI.
I should also mention too that my MAOI was syrian rue tea, and not harmalas. I forget the exact density/mixture, probably 3.5g of rue per 10ml shot as I absolutely loathe that bitter taste and want to drink as little as possible.
I then took the DMT fumerate I had recently created, about 50mg I'd say, threw it in the Orange Juice shot I had prepared, stirred and dissolved it, drank both concoctions (both equally as nasty as the other), waited and definitely got what I was looking for.
It just made sense to me that both would be working in tandem with each other to deliver the experience so I figured I'd give it a shot and got very good results from it after a couple of misfires before where I had timed my DMT and MAOI doses.
Twas a rough trip that one, but very educational about myself and the choices I have made....
I would say I felt the effects from both probably about an hour from the time I took my OJ shot and MAOI.
I should also mention too that my MAOI was syrian rue tea, and not harmalas. I forget the exact density/mixture, probably 3.5g of rue per 10ml shot as I absolutely loathe that bitter taste and want to drink as little as possible.
I then took the DMT fumerate I had recently created, about 50mg I'd say, threw it in the Orange Juice shot I had prepared, stirred and dissolved it, drank both concoctions (both equally as nasty as the other), waited and definitely got what I was looking for.
It just made sense to me that both would be working in tandem with each other to deliver the experience so I figured I'd give it a shot and got very good results from it after a couple of misfires before where I had timed my DMT and MAOI doses.
Twas a rough trip that one, but very educational about myself and the choices I have made....
chocobeastie
Esteemed member
Binary Drool said:
That's about what most people I know including myself get from 50mg.
You could try going to 75mg but it isn't likely to be a whole lot stronger.
I would recommend upping your dose to 100mg and then to 150mg and then to 200mg. You shouldn't need to go up to 300mg.
150mg + is what is needed for most for a true visionary experience.
