Attempted 2nd extraction. Not the results I was looking for.

[EastwoodHD]

Greetings fellow travelers!

I tried my first extraction last weekend, I didn't yield anything using EW's tek. This was mainly because I was swirling the base soup way too gently & it didn't mix properly with the bark. NBD, it was humbling.

Yesterday I tried my 2nd extraction. This time using Cybs tek with ACRB and a defat at the end. My pulls were actually milky this time. I know I got some dmt in those pulls, however I'm worried I screwed up in the defat. 1.5 liter bottle with 500ml water, 55ml vinegar. I put my pulls in it, swirled it around for 15 min, then used a pipette and kept the pulls. ( I was worried before hand about screwing this part up.) the pulls had turned a milky yellow by this point.
I added 50g lye to 200ml water and added it to the acid mix. It didn't turn white but cloudy/milky. Once I added fresh hot naphtha it didn't get any cloudier or whiter. The cold pipette didn't cause the pulls to go white. Once all in a pan I started a pre evap (I passed out shortly after starting this and accidentally evaporated most of the naphtha. I put it in the freezer.

From the original pulls, I just scraped the dish and all I got was this dark brown/reddish goo. I can only assume this is plant fats. Or is it possible this actually contains dmt? Here is a picture of the goo.

The 2nd dish that had my pre evap pulls are currently under a fan right now, I don't see any obvious crystals, just a few white dots. This is the 2nd dish that had my defat pulls. Minutes after I put it in front of the fan.

Any advice would be appreciated. I have about 100G of root bark left and I want to make the most of it and yield something. Thanks for any and all tips!


Edit: This is what I yielded from the defat pulls. It's not much from 50g of bark, but it DOES work.

 

[FLeP]

That is some gooey stuff! Okay, I'm in the middle of this extraction for the first time myself and I'm very glad I've done a couple MHRB extractions because this is a bit more work.

It seems to me that one of two things happened. 1. When you separated your solvent from your vinegar solution you didn't get the fatty, cloudy layer from inbetween the two. This is why he recommends a narrow-necked bottle. That layer between your solvent and vinegar is hard to get out and your going to suck up a lot of your vinegar pull trying to get it out.
2. Maybe your napthat contains xylene and is pulling fats.

Here's what I did:

Instead of vinegar mixed with water I just gently dumped some vinegar into my solvent and mixed it all the way through three times and separated. Then I did another pull! He doesn't mention doing multiple vinegar pulls on your solvent but you should do at least two. I had to backtrack on my extraction until I found that a lot of my spice was still trapped in my inital solvent pulls and that's where I'd recommend you look for your spice as well.

 

[EastwoodHD]

It looks like I didn't screw it up entirely. The defat pulls did yield me some yellow goo. I've never tripped on dmt until tonight. I did a low dose to field test it and was rewarded with the most intense body high I've ever had. I am so incredibly thankful for this forum.

 

[FLeP]

And that's just the beginning! Nice job, dude.

 

[Rundar]

I was having similar problems losing spice in the solvent with EW's tek (my backsalt naps are never cloudy, yield was about 0.3%). I think my bark's pretty low in alkaloids anyways though... Persistence is key with ACRB, maybe? I did some pulls, only got 125 mg, did some more, got 170. It probably helps to use smaller amounts of bark though.

 

[concombres]

I was having similar problems losing spice in the solvent with EW's tek (my backsalt naps are never cloudy, yield was about 0.3%). I think my bark's pretty low in alkaloids anyways though... Persistence is key with ACRB, maybe? I did some pulls, only got 125 mg, did some more, got 170. It probably helps to use smaller amounts of bark though.

I`ve run into the same problem with acacia.
I think the problem lies in the fact that the alkaloid content is potentially up to 50% NMT. Goo is fatty already, & if the fats make up a percentage, NMT content is high, & dmt is low, you won't get much pure spice from the bark. If you have a decent quantity, it doesnt pose much of a problem, just requires multiple small scale extractions to yeild a gram to last a few months.
Considering ACRB is plentiful & cheap, this is not Too much of a setback.

 

[null24]

Run & con, yes, I always work with a maximum of 100 grams of bark, and yes ACRB requires perseverance, at almost a dozen extractions, I'm finally able to say with comfort i know what I'm doing and have been able to come up with a nice, hard, dry xtal extract. ACRB is worth the patience it requires, it is a beneficial ally. Keep working!

 

[concombres]

Run & con, yes, I always work with a maximum of 100 grams of bark, and yes ACRB requires perseverance, at almost a dozen extractions, I'm finally able to say with comfort i know what I'm doing and have been able to come up with a nice, hard, dry xtal extract. ACRB is worth the patience it requires, it is a beneficial ally. Keep working!

Do you mind sharing your method null?
i`m interested in hearing any tips/tricks you have to offer.
My extractions with acacia so far have been hit or miss & it`s put me off to the point i`'ve only been using MHRB but it`t becoming increasingly more scarce & sketchy to acquire domestically. Acacia seems to be a safer plant source provided I can get a method down that yeilds even 50% what mhrb does.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

I am going to leave this here for anyone's consideration.

Microwave Assisted Drytek (MAD Tek) - STB - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

It worked for me, after many gooey acacia extracts... I really need to do another extraction and post the pics for people to see, but I have not had the need to smoke any DMT in a few months, and still have a nice reserve of a few hundred milligrams of crystals.

This is what I came up with after trying many different extractions on acacia confusa, in attempts to find an easy way to get crytals.

 

[Tryptallmine]

Run & con, yes, I always work with a maximum of 100 grams of bark, and yes ACRB requires perseverance, at almost a dozen extractions, I'm finally able to say with comfort i know what I'm doing and have been able to come up with a nice, hard, dry xtal extract. ACRB is worth the patience it requires, it is a beneficial ally. Keep working!

Do you mind sharing your method null?
i`m interested in hearing any tips/tricks you have to offer.
My extractions with acacia so far have been hit or miss & it`s put me off to the point i`'ve only been using MHRB but it`t becoming increasingly more scarce & sketchy to acquire domestically. Acacia seems to be a safer plant source provided I can get a method down that yeilds even 50% what mhrb does.

Maybe I've been lucky, but I've used the same process for both MHRB and ACRB and had flawless results every time with EW's tek. Couple of slight variations in order to keep things clean but nice dry solid xtals all day long. ~2% yields - 100g give or take 10%.

 

[Rundar]

I was having similar problems losing spice in the solvent with EW's tek (my backsalt naps are never cloudy, yield was about 0.3%). I think my bark's pretty low in alkaloids anyways though... Persistence is key with ACRB, maybe? I did some pulls, only got 125 mg, did some more, got 170. It probably helps to use smaller amounts of bark though.

I`ve run into the same problem with acacia.
I think the problem lies in the fact that the alkaloid content is potentially up to 50% NMT. Goo is fatty already, & if the fats make up a percentage, NMT content is high, & dmt is low, you won't get much pure spice from the bark. If you have a decent quantity, it doesnt pose much of a problem, just requires multiple small scale extractions to yeild a gram to last a few months.
Considering ACRB is plentiful & cheap, this is not Too much of a setback.

up to 50% NNT? Wow, I'd never heard that before. That would explain all the goo. A thoughtful and thorough 50g extraction is in my future... I'll have to take it slow and see what pans out!

 

[Eternal Ethereal]

Hello all,

First timer here.

I attempted my first pull on AC and MH. I was successful on both except AC turned out to be these fluffy, sparkly crispy white crystals and MH turned out a dull eggshell color, more dense and no sparkly anything. I used the same tek for both,75g of powdered plant, 750 ml of distilled water, straight to base in glass jars, 75g lye, shake, warm heptane to about an inch, shake, extract the solvent into a glass bowl, cover and freeze.

the yield I got was 1.2g fluffy, sparkly crystals of AC & 1.8 of dense, matted salt-ish looking crystals of MH.

Is this common or could there possibly be anything I'm doing wrong?

 

[Spaced Out 2]

Your stuff is absolutely fine, and usually it's the other way around because MH has less fats and oils than acacia, usually. Slightly off colored is normal and is talked about in many threads on here. It will not affect the outcome when smoked. If you absolutely want white xtals then it would be a good idea to do a mini a/b on your collected solvent, this will help eliminate any remaining fats and oils that crossed over. I'm talking about your next extraction.

A simple re-xtal will clean it up. Again it's not a big deal, I have some that is solid yellow and is very potent and that is after clean up stages.

Welcome to the nexus by the way:thumb_up:

 

[Horizon_Bloom]

currently in my first ACRB extract, as well, using Cyb's 50g A/B tek. So far, so good, but I also work slowly. I'm on, for example, day 3 of the extraction.

followed the tek almost to the "t" with slight variation due to eye balling some measurements (the saline solution, the NaOH solution) and also with filtering final precipitate and drying times.

briefly:

pre-mixed a gallon (~3.75L) of 1% Vinegar solution (4 parts Distilled Water, 1 part White Vinegar- 5%)

weighed bark (~51g) and placed in an old Gin bottle w/ cork topper. (750ml)

heated ~200ml 1% solution and carefully (with heat insulating gloves), poured into bottle. placed bottle in hot water bath used for heating vinegar (no boiling). Left for ~2 hours. Vigorously shook bottle 4-5 times, with venting.

made a saline solution with kosher sea salt, set aside.

Made, outside, a NaOH solution. (I have drano crystals, which have other things, so I filtered this with chemically resistant gloves after it finished reacting. notes at end...)

returning to the bottle, added ~100ml of saline, swished until mixed. Added around 150ml of NaOH and swirled it in. Immediately goes near-black brown. It did thicken up quite a bit at this point, and took a good minute to mix in all the way. topped off with distilled water to about 5cm below the neck. (~700ml total material in bottle)

returned to water bath for ~2.5 hours (no boiling) with 3-4 times agitating.

pulled with light naphtha ~50ml per pull. didn't use heated naphtha, but let the warm liquid heat the naphtha in situ.

mixing was carried out by a combination of rocking and turning and horizontal agitation. Rocking and turning, the bottle horizontal tipped bottom up, then top up, while turning the cylinder of the bottle, letting the "bubble" touch every part, then shaking the bottle while vertical to aid in the separation of smaller naphtha pockets. Followed by venting the bottle, and returning to bath. each pull was mixed/separated 4x, each separation was given an hour (overkill, and multitasking).

Pulls were retrieved with pipette while warm and clear, collected and freeze precipitated overnight, two pulls per freeze. in the morning, there were crystals in the naphtha, and crystals formed to the pyrex. Used a coffee filter while decanting, and collected a surprising amount from pulls 1&2 in the filter alone. the pyrex crystals scraped up with some base goop contamination, needs re-x. the filter paper is whiter than the filter paper, and fluffs like dandruff. goes straight to medium violet/purple using Ehrlich reagent.

trick: used a fan to dry what was in my filter paper, by sticking it to the backside of a fan.

1&2 : ~200mg (~80mg white fluff)

3&4 : ~150mg (~50mg white fluff)

5&6 : n/a (still going)


Drano Note: Drano is not a white crystal, it is a teal/turquoise crystal with white balls and metal shavings. Lye, NaOH, is white. The MSDS for Drano Crystal says

Aluminum Flakes : 1-5%
Sodium Chloride : 3-7%
[*^Hypochlorate?]
Sodium Nitrate : 15-40%
Sodium Hydroxide: 40-60%

Not listed, but I think it also has Sodium Silicate in it (little white balls, insoluble in water), possibly as anticaking dessicant? Also not listed, Green 7 pigment dye, made by Sun Chemical (source: SCJohnson website).

Anyway, I don't want all that extra poop in my poop. So I filter it with a glass funnel and a couple coffee filters.


On a tangent: DMT has a fetid, almost fecal smell. And taste. WHY DID NO ONE WARN ME!

That should be included as a caveat for people who haven't tried DMT. A lot of people seem to say it smells floral, but to me it smells a lot more like the shit the flowers grew in.

Or is this smell from a DMT related chemical, like NMT, or even something else specific to the AC tree?

 

[a1pha]

Made, outside, a NaOH solution. (I have drano crystals, which have other things, so I filtered this with chemically resistant gloves after it finished reacting. notes at end...)

:shock:

You cannot simply create a NaOH solution by separating the crystals in Drano. This could leave your end-product with very dangerous chemicals and should absolutely not be ingested. This is a very, very dangerous practice. Why not just get NaOH?

Please, for your own sake, do not use Drano in your extractions. If you ignore this advice then fine -- just don't give any to others. If you want to potentially kill yourself then fine but don't harm others.

On a tangent: DMT has a fetid, almost fecal smell. And taste. WHY DID NO ONE WARN ME!

No, no it doesn't. It smells like alien flowers. Probably one of Drano byproducts. It should smell sweet and glorious.

Never use Drano in extractions. Ever. Pure chemicals only!

 

[concombres]

Made, outside, a NaOH solution. (I have drano crystals, which have other things, so I filtered this with chemically resistant gloves after it finished reacting. notes at end...)

:shock:

You cannot simply create a NaOH solution by separating the crystals in Drano. This could leave your end-product with very dangerous chemicals and should absolutely not be ingested. This is a very, very dangerous practice. Why not just get NaOH?

Please, for your own sake, do not use Drano in your extractions. If you ignore this advice then fine -- just don't give any to others. If you want to potentially kill yourself then fine but don't harm others.

On a tangent: DMT has a fetid, almost fecal smell. And taste. WHY DID NO ONE WARN ME!

No, no it doesn't. It smells like alien flowers. Probably one of Drano byproducts. It should smell sweet and glorious.

Never use Drano in extractions. Ever. Pure chemicals only!

I have seen people mention using questionable materials more than once recently. This should be common sense. But yet it alludes some people. Do we really need a "Do not use contaminated reagents in extraction" sticky?

 

[downwardsfromzero]

For the record, the smell component of many flowers becomes faecal in nature when at higher concentrations. From indole and skatole, structurally close to DMT.

Drano?! Sheesh...

 

[null24]

Dude, if your spice smells like crap it prolly is!

HARM REDUCTION WARNING (common sense):
Do not, repeat, do not attempt to filter and smoke drano. PLEASE!

 

[Horizon_Bloom]

re-x'd twice and it's flat white. melts with no residue.

I think the smell is probably a subjective thing for me, more along the lines of Scatole/indole smell. Now that you mention it, I recall hearing in a Scatole synth video about concentrated floral notes having a sometimes fecal or overpowering aroma.

I also realized that my first few attempts ended up as smoking, and not vaporizing, and that definitely added to the unpleasantness. When I successfully vaped in a machine, it was much more palatable, though on exhale I still tasted the weirdness. I compare the taste to the physical feeling of it's onset. Not awful, but definitely weird.

For the record, I didn't separate crystals, the mix of drano crystal is meant to react as a whole. I made a solution and allowed it to react completely. Insoluble agents were then filtered twice with paper filter. It's not something I would advise anyone else to do, for sure, but I planned on extra re-x steps from the start. (the rest of that material is also going to end up in IPA and filtered again for use in changa).

My next venture is going to be an attempt with Sodium Carbonate, so I'll see if the smell is different. I'm already at basing, and the smell, to me, is similar. The based soup smells pretty much the same as last time. Given the lower pH, I dunno if it's going to affect yield, but it's the same source material so I guess I'll find out.


ALSO:
I appreciate everyone's concern. Really, I am. I should have included caveat from the start with my mention of drano. Also, I was uncertain of even wanting to use NaOH, but had this on hand- is why I didn't get pure. A small batch, I figured, with a side-by-side for comparison would tell me if I think it's worth it for me. If I can get anything like what I got from drano, then I'll stick with Carbonate. If not, I'll get some lab grade NaOH. (final final was ~900mg, btw)