8/29/2022 Edit: DMT citrate e-juice salt has matured into a TEK. Ideas below are early development using a longer process going through DMT FB.
The idea of using DMT salts follows the commercial success of Juul's development of nicotine salts as explained in this thread.
My first attempt was DMT benzoate, but it crashes from PG at room temp.
Want to report I'm getting some traction with DMT citrate. It is staying dissolved in PG
Here is what I did:
- 1g of FB DMT mixed with 2g of PG in a hot water bath
- pH strip ~9, yes we are vaping lip numbing alkaloids as we know
- Added citric acid and checked pH. While citric acid is reported to be only 10% soluble in PG (200mg), I was able to keep on adding beyond that, presumably because DMT citrate is more soluble. After 400mg of citric acid fully dissolving the pH paper came out neutral. Edit: Currently reccomending 350mg of citric for best flavor.
So currently have I this experimental e-juice with DMT citrate and perhaps some free DMT remaining at some level. I'll add 600mg of VG and then do some vaping tests, see what happens.
The hope is that this e-juice has the same benefits of nicotine salts: Smoother (no alkaline harshness), absorbed well by the lungs (nicotine salts are absorbed better than FB nicotine per the info in the post mentioned above). Another hope is that the e-juice is more stable in salt form. Free base DMT e-juice changes color for me over time towards red and becomes less effective.
For reference, see pH measurements below. Right drop is from standard FB e-juice, left drop is after dissolving the citric acid and converting the e-juice to a DMT salt.
The idea of using DMT salts follows the commercial success of Juul's development of nicotine salts as explained in this thread.
My first attempt was DMT benzoate, but it crashes from PG at room temp.
Want to report I'm getting some traction with DMT citrate. It is staying dissolved in PG
Here is what I did:
- 1g of FB DMT mixed with 2g of PG in a hot water bath
- pH strip ~9, yes we are vaping lip numbing alkaloids as we know
- Added citric acid and checked pH. While citric acid is reported to be only 10% soluble in PG (200mg), I was able to keep on adding beyond that, presumably because DMT citrate is more soluble. After 400mg of citric acid fully dissolving the pH paper came out neutral. Edit: Currently reccomending 350mg of citric for best flavor.
So currently have I this experimental e-juice with DMT citrate and perhaps some free DMT remaining at some level. I'll add 600mg of VG and then do some vaping tests, see what happens.
The hope is that this e-juice has the same benefits of nicotine salts: Smoother (no alkaline harshness), absorbed well by the lungs (nicotine salts are absorbed better than FB nicotine per the info in the post mentioned above). Another hope is that the e-juice is more stable in salt form. Free base DMT e-juice changes color for me over time towards red and becomes less effective.
For reference, see pH measurements below. Right drop is from standard FB e-juice, left drop is after dissolving the citric acid and converting the e-juice to a DMT salt.