-
Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).
aya/ana/pharmahuasca recipes
- Thread starter polytrip
- Start date
Last weekend I made a test-launch in preperation for the S.H.E. I used the way of preparation from acolon_5 but used vinegar instead of phosphoric acid and these ingredients:
50g white Caapi vine
25g Caapi leaves
25g Chacruna
25g Chilaponga
3g Cat's claw
I only drank half of the complete brew to start with, this produced very mild visuals and lasted about one and a half hour. I then took the other half which had the same effect but also introduced a heavy purge towards the end.
Now, a bit wiser as before I bought myself phosphoric acid, it's 75%. I also bought myself some gelatine to use instead of the egg-white. I bought the phosphoric because of acolon_5 promoting it for a better Caapi extraction. The gelatine I bought because Dagger advises it.
This will be my next recipe:
75g White caapi
35g Chacruna
35g Chaliponga
3g Cat's Claw
2 teaspoons of Guayusa
On this moment I have a few questions:
1. What should be the pH of the water to extract the Caapi? 75% is a lot more as the 10% that acolon_5 used and I want to have it right.
2. Should the extraction water for the light bringing plants also be acidified? And if so, to what pH?
3. How much gelatin should I use and at what point in the brew process? Right after I mixed the caapi brew with the admixture brew or after I reduced it down a bit?
4. Can it do any harm to the brew if I use gelatin right after mixing the Caapi brew and admixture brew AND after reducing down the complete brew?
If you can enlighten me, please do.
50g white Caapi vine
25g Caapi leaves
25g Chacruna
25g Chilaponga
3g Cat's claw
I only drank half of the complete brew to start with, this produced very mild visuals and lasted about one and a half hour. I then took the other half which had the same effect but also introduced a heavy purge towards the end.
Now, a bit wiser as before I bought myself phosphoric acid, it's 75%. I also bought myself some gelatine to use instead of the egg-white. I bought the phosphoric because of acolon_5 promoting it for a better Caapi extraction. The gelatine I bought because Dagger advises it.
This will be my next recipe:
75g White caapi
35g Chacruna
35g Chaliponga
3g Cat's Claw
2 teaspoons of Guayusa
On this moment I have a few questions:
1. What should be the pH of the water to extract the Caapi? 75% is a lot more as the 10% that acolon_5 used and I want to have it right.
2. Should the extraction water for the light bringing plants also be acidified? And if so, to what pH?
3. How much gelatin should I use and at what point in the brew process? Right after I mixed the caapi brew with the admixture brew or after I reduced it down a bit?
4. Can it do any harm to the brew if I use gelatin right after mixing the Caapi brew and admixture brew AND after reducing down the complete brew?
If you can enlighten me, please do.
Gelatin is mainly for mimosa. It can be used on viridis too, although I don't know how effective it is compared to egg white.The Traveler said:
My suggestion is, as long as you don't use mimosa, go for egg whites.
Use about 1/7th of the 10%. Caapi does not need that low a ph to be extracted. You could use about 0.25 ml of 75% phosphoric acid per liter of water. This should get it down to about 3-4 in pH. Otherwise, you could dilute the phosphoric acid down to 10% by adding 100 ml phosphoric acid to 650 ml water. Then add 2 ml phorphoric acid per liter of water.
Light bringing plants seems to need a bit more acid than caapi to get extracted. But the same amount as mentioned above should work fine.
You may also want to try out the The Herbal Percolator (THP) extraction method for the caapi.
Dagger said:
Thank you for your answers Dagger.
The THP extraction method you posted looks like a perfect method. I will certainly try this, I will also post the results of this tek.
btw, I have a theory as why this tek doesn't work so well on viridis: When I did my last extraction with viridis leaves the end-product contained a large amount of resin, this resin became very hard when the brew cooled down. Might it be possible that the resin from the viridis prevent the viridis to be extracted at cold temps? Maybe the resin forms a hard shell around the actives at cold temps?
Kind regards,
The Traveler
i think the reason why you had weak effects could also have been that you took half the dose. I think there is a threshold for the caapi to realy activate the DMT. If you had mild effects with half an extract that contains 50 gr white vine, so you took 25 gr of caapi vine then, i think there's a real chance there was nothing wrong with the brew you made.
Who knows. Perhaps. I know that mimosa gives off its actives with the THP method very easily, so it certainly is not because of the DMT itself. Perhaps it has something to do with leaves having evolved abilities to hold on to its chemicals in nature. And at natural temperatures such as rain, it keeps the actives. But when you increase the temperature, normal rules don't necessarily apply.The Traveler said:
I have not tried extracting viridis with the THP method yet. But if you decide to do it, powder it very well, and use as hot water as your bottle can handle. Mine can't handle much more than 65C/149F.