ZaZen said:
Hi Endlessness do you know the Name of Center In Rio ? In my Opinion 90 € is still to much... do you have to donate/contribute or is 90 € a fix price ?
He told me the name but I didnt know it. He said they are relatively new, 2 years old, so maybe thats why I didnt know. I will ask again, its possible to check if its true and this center exists, but from my talk to him it seemed quite serious.
As for the price, it seems is a 'guide' price. I guess its negotiable to some extent but I dont know how much.. Would have to inquiry further.
ZaZen said:
Normally you give a free contribution to participate ceremonys in Dreamland, sometimes they have a fixed price but if you can`t pay, you can participate anyway... The same applies for Ayahuasca. Generally you don`t sell her and you don`t give her to people which you don`t know, if you give her for free to somebody, the generall consens is a free contribution which the taker defines, thats how i know it...
yes this the case in most of the rituals I've participated in Dreamland also. Some did have a certain fixed price (like for example when some group I was participating in was paying for the indigenous pajés to come to Rio, so there were costs that made it reasonable to settle on a fair set price). Others like daime were completely open to you to decide.
As for 'not giving to who you know', well there's always some stranger joining some group, so not always people know. They in this website dont sell straight away, you have to get in contact with them and then a relationship can be built not just a commercial one. This is a good sign, but one just never knows.. He actually did say how much in percentage of the price they charge is 'profit' that they all invest in their 'charity' center. I think if trully the extra money goes to the help of others through an honest well intended use of these plant medicines, then it is good.
If I would be needing some ayahuasca I would probably make an experiment and try getting from them. To the person that already bought from them, please tell us how it went
ZaZen said:
But if you're right, then i think they might be selling smth. that ist cold "mel" in Dreamland; a very thick and concentrated Ayahuasca, the consistent refers more to honey (mel) than two water, then you could get 10 doses out of it and 90 € might be reasonable... i think we will know if it`s worth as soon as smb. here has tested it...
yes it is sort of like mel but from what I understood even more concentrated, it gets to marmelade sort of consistence, but with low heat so the sugars are not caramelized. He said from 1l ayahuasca they reduce to 50ml.
ZaZen said:
I personally would like to know the people from whom i get my ayahuasca, know their intentions, how they are doing their spiritual work and so on... unfortunately we don`t get so much info about them on their website. It depends if you`re looking for a bottle where you can say this is Ayahuasca, it`s brewed with B. Caapi + P. Viridis then you might get what you want but you don`t know what`s arround the people who made it.
I also always took my ayahuasca from known sources, never bought it. Agree its good to either be there in the preparation or know about it, also if possible knowing about the source of the plants and so on. But for some people its not possible and I dont think necessarily they should be forbidden to partake in the experience. Thats why indeed if they make this bigger relationship with those who grow for them and with those who 'buy' from them, then its not so bad. But all of this considering their intentions are true. My impression was that it is, but each one should decide for themselves.
He mentioned it comes from the amazon, from the state of acre, and that it comes with an ibama authorization, which as I mentioned, should say that the harvest was sustainable. He said its from a number of smaller growers there. He said they were not affiliated with daime or UDV or barquinha.
ZaZen said:
Annother thing, does anybody know a vendor that sells fresh P. Virids ? It seems everbody is selling just dried ones, i`m really skeptic about the potency of those leaves, normally people that make Ayahuasca i got to know, throw such leaves away ! I never made Ayahuasca with plant material that comes from the internet....same is with caapi the barks are almost dry! How are you`re experience with material so dry, except mhrb...?
yeah as mentioned never bought these plants so far. But I do seem to remember having seen somewhere selling fresh leaves. I will see if I can find out where it was
