Balancing the Rabble

[Curated_Thinking]

For the more seasoned or experienced of you on here, how do you balance and sort out the rabble of thoughts you're left with after tripping. DMT is still new to me and I haven't taken that big dose yet. Truthfully very nervous, but I'll get there. As mentioned in my intro post I've been going deep with THC. I've been writing down my thoughts and some of sound profound I guess, but it all as a whole is confusing. Confusing because of how contradictory a lot of it is. It'd be easy to chalk things up to wild paranoia or just an already overactive imagination even more so when mixed with THC. That's what I used to think and it was far easier to just let thoughts get lost in the ether, but writing them down and exploring them more, it's not so easy anymore.

How do some of you who write down what you come back with decide what's worth exploring or not? There's part of me that also thinks that rather than call something trivial, maybe it would resonate with someone else. Best to share.

This all leads to more questions as well such as is this just me being too much in my own head or is it something that genuinely came to me? Basically, stop believing my own bullshit.

 

[pointy hat]

Interesting q, CT. Integration is tricky when it comes to deep dives!

I recently found myself eating a megadose of cannabis oil that my wife made; she has a high tolerance and didn't believe it was working for her... :shock:

I have an extremely low tolerance for thc (smoking became too mentally intense after years of weekly lsd use). During this full psychedelic immersion, I had a moment where I felt like I was cracking through to 'prime reality' or something like it. It was an infinite NOW sort of bag, where I was being flooded with information that seemed to be part of a circuital time stream. I closed my eyes and let go, believing the sensations I was experiencing were significant enough to cause me to leave my body-- and the realization actualized the thought. NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW, you know?

Thc is no joke sometimes! I respect the daily tokers.

Back to the balance and the rabble-- I mainly use the tools talked about on this forum to hunt for verse. I'm a lyricist, others have called me a poet, but that word feels a little heavy on me. What I've found is that much of what I'm shown, told or seen will only float on the waters they're native to. Making myself more like the territory of the idea will sometimes make it clearer. There are different ways I'm able to do this, but I think this is a person-to-person approach. Seems like it would vary.

Did a phrase or image jump out at you?-- It's the mantra for the week, month, year etc. Depends on how heavy it is. You decide. Repeat it enough and maybe you'll unlock what it all was getting at.

I wrote this on the subject recently: It was that kind of trip, when I thought I was the pilot, I was reminded that I was but a passenger


Hope this somewhat scratched at your question!

 

[RMQualtrough]

I've used this substance about 40 or 50 times. I've never been told anything but once had a weird conversation with my bedroom wall promising not to tell anyone they're all us.

Out of all experiences that is one of the only themes that has seemed to be potentially beyond mad random noise. Most trips are just like crazy Salvia type rabble (the type of rabble I think you mean) albeit more mentally salient/real. Ideas similar to Advaita Vedanta (although I recently discovered the existence of Kashmir Shaivism which sounds MUCH more like it) have been the ones that seemed to maybe not be hallucinated BS.

Both these times where it was really clear I was also on LSD by the way, and it felt like a totally different substance when smoked. I couldn't dismiss it because it first "showed" me the materialist fact that everything in the universe is just universal matter and hence we ARE the universe/part of One in a matter of perspective sense. E.g. like leaves on a tree, we are the leaves but from a bigger picture perspective you look at a tree and just see "tree". So everything is "universe". But then ALSO it wanted to convince me of something further... That further thing being that not only is physical matter all part of one but that consciousness is too. Everything is me I am you you are me, we are everythingness and eternal.

Because of the first proveable truth I couldn't just dismiss the other element. It also makes some logical sense, after all awareness and conscious experience is the only thing we DIRECTLY KNOW is definitely truly real.

But most of what I experience has been random rabble... I stopped using for a while in fact because it was like "uh this is just like trippy dreaming what's the point?"... I had one impactful experience which was different from the theme of Oneness/godhead stuff but I can't figure it out at all. Something really strange went down and I literally have no clue what to even make of it, so it's not rabble IMO but I don't and can't comprehend its meaning though I've tried.

 

[Tomtegubbe]

At some point you may realize that, yes, all the mystic theories are probably right on some level, but going deeper and deeper into those secrets doesn't feel like the ultimate goal anymore. Then it's time to seek what's meaningful here and now.

 

[Curated_Thinking]

I wrote this on the subject recently: It was that kind of trip, when I thought I was the pilot, I was reminded that I was but a passenger

Hope this somewhat scratched at your question!

I think that's where it comes from. For example I've been drunk maybe twice. I'm 28 now, both times were probably within the last 5 years. For me I always have to be in control of myself, the idea that I couldn't be in control of the grey matter between my ears is nuts to me. I couldn't understand how drunk people, mostly dudes, get themselves in so much trouble from drinking and poor decisions. Like the first time I got high I kept thinking how although I'm for sure gone gone, I'm not, not in control of my thoughts and actions. So with DMT or the places my mind goes on THC there's this paranoia about is it me or something else.

like leaves on a tree, we are the leaves but from a bigger picture perspective you look at a tree and just see "tree". So everything is "universe". But then ALSO it wanted to convince me of something further... That further thing being that not only is physical matter all part of one but that consciousness is too. Everything is me I am you you are me, we are everythingness and eternal.

I have this same exact thought all the time. When someone says something is unnatural, I ask why? Because we made it? Aren't we a product of nature/universe? If so then anything we make is perfectly "natural." Just because it's now in a new form and didn't sprout from the ground doesn't make it any less natural.

At some point you may realize that, yes, all the mystic theories are probably right on some level, but going deeper and deeper into those secrets doesn't feel like the ultimate goal anymore. Then it's time to seek what's meaningful here and now.

I know what you mean. The thought that does digging into or understanding any of this matter in the long run?I don't however want to toss anything aways as trivial or inconsequential. It could mean a lot or everything. Perfect example. I remember an episode of First 48. The detectives are investigating a murder during Mardi Gras. It was a street shooting in very crowded places. The scene turned into chaos and among the party trash and litter one detective sees a hat and decides to catalogue it as evidence. You look at the street and that wouldn't stand out to anyone. Later on while watching video of the shooting they see the shooter wearing that hat. They get DNA from hairs in the hat and find that the shooter is already in their database for prior crimes. Talk about smoking gun right? No one would have blamed that cop from not even looking twice at that evidence given the chaos of the scene.

 

[pointy hat]

there's this paranoia about is it me or something else.

I think that it's you, beyond you. It's us! :d

 

[bismillah]

You know what, I've never had much trouble writing down what I thought was of importance during / after my trips. I always had a bit of a knack for narrative writing, and I think that's a big part of it. Try journalling if you haven't, just to get in the swing of organizing your thoughts. I believe it'll be easier for you if it's more of a rehearsed action (practised while sober) than an improvised ditch attempt to record what you're feeling.

Also important to bear in mind that sometimes your ideas are just garbage and you should cross out the things that don't fit. It's all up to *you*. Don't waste energy on trivialities if they don't seem significant.