"Balloon" for vapor?

[elphologist1]

I've seen how some people like to vaporize different herbs with a vaporizer and store the vapor in a "balloon" (actually a plastic bag). I'm wondering if this would be possible with DMT. Seems like that way it would be a lot less hassle dosing. You could just vaporize (say) 100mg into the balloon. Then if you wanted 30mg, just breathe 1/3 of it. No worry about hot vapor this way either. Has anyone ever tried this? I know an ordinary vaporizer is not going to work for this since the DMT will liquify and the temperature probably cannot be adjusted low enough. But could something be made to do this in theory?

elphologist

 

[cashewman1]

Interesting, But what about the possibility of the vapor condensing inside the bag after it is no longer exposed to the hot temperature, then you have a whole bunch of air with some condensed spice in the bag that you wont be able to inhale. Just a thought

 

[gammagore]

Interesting, But what about the possibility of the vapor condensing inside the bag after it is no longer exposed to the hot temperature, then you have a whole bunch of air with some condensed spice in the bag that you wont be able to inhale. Just a thought

My thoughts exactly. What you gonna do with the other 70mg vaped spice? and how do you estimate 30mg of vapour.

Why waste your time vaping the spice this way, rather make yourself some changa/enhanced leaf.

This way if you want to redose yo can just hit another bowl.

Just make sure you measure out your changa dose beforehand. When your lingering on the ouskirts of hyperspace its not so easy to concentrate on how much changa your loading into the bowl.

Let us know if you decide to experiment.

 

[Madcap]

A friend of mine had his first experiences with DMT using a volcano. He told me that a group of 3 all passed the balloon around. The guy who told me the story is very inexperienced with psychedelics so take it with a grain of salt.. but he said it worked great. I think it'd be alright as long as you had someone to inhale the leftovers. I'd hate to waste the spice leaving it in the bag.

 

[endlessness]

it will probably make your 400$ volcano smell forever of dmt, or at least the loading chamber, the rubbers in the baloon connection, the mouthpiece, etc

plus, yeah, as the smoke cools down I hear people mention dmt condensing in the baloon, so some is gonna be wasted there..

If you want smooth smoke, go for changa (infuse herbs with dmt in 1:1 ratio), smoked in a waterbong, or even better, changa in the vaporgenie

 

[d*l*b]

it will probably make your 400$ volcano smell forever of dmt

Lots of info on making such devices around the net though... I think it's possible to make a similar device with a heat gun for about £30–40 or so.

 

[ibeing897]

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before... but it doesn't ruin your volcano, it doesn't smell at all if you use a liquid filter and they're replaceable bags don't forget, so it ain't gonna stay around long anyway... plus I've never witnessed any condensing on the bag, it doesnt happen quick enough to be a problem... it's an extremely smooth smoke, efficient, powerful, if you haven't tried it then you don't know, but I prefer it to vg, dry bong, water bong and changa... it's also the safest mechanism and allows certain freedoms that are complicated otherwise, like vaping in the tub or near things your concerned may catch fire... downsides are price, needs to be relatively close to an electrical outlet.

 

[ibeing897]

I just realised that elphologist1 mentioned a plastic bag... that would be more of a problem with condensing, I believe that's why freezer bags are used, but I'd have to check that.

 

[endlessness]

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before... but it doesn't ruin your volcano, it doesn't smell at all if you use a liquid filter and they're replaceable bags don't forget, so it ain't gonna stay around long anyway... plus I've never witnessed any condensing on the bag, it doesnt happen quick enough to be a problem... it's an extremely smooth smoke, efficient, powerful, if you haven't tried it then you don't know, but I prefer it to vg, dry bong, water bong and changa... it's also the safest mechanism and allows certain freedoms that are complicated otherwise, like vaping in the tub or near things your concerned may catch fire... downsides are price, needs to be relatively close to an electrical outlet.

thats excellent you have first hand info!

I have a volcano and once I tried vaporizing some camphor and mint because someone in the house was sick... the smell REALLY stayed in the rubbers and the loading chamber even after soaking in warm alcohol, washing many times, etc.. It took over a week of cleaning and cleaning again to get the smell out, also even after changing the bag! Thats why I supposed with dmt it wouldnt be much different, I decided better keep it for thc products and use vaporgenie for dmt instead, but if you say so, good to know!

so the connection of the bag, with all those pieces and the rubbers, it didnt catch ANY smell ? And no dmt condensed in the baloon? how much dmt was loaded in the chamber, what temp did you vap at, and how many baloons was this quantity fill up?

 

[ibeing897]

so the connection of the bag, with all those pieces and the rubbers, it didnt catch ANY smell ? And no dmt condensed in the baloon? how much dmt was loaded in the chamber, what temp did you vap at, and how many baloons was this quantity fill up?

Obviously at some point at some level it will start to smell.. but it will smell of anything vaped eventually, so I don't really follow this, if I covered anything in DMT it will smell of DMT... "ANY" smell, yes, it picks up a smell of course, a problematic smell, no... whatever implement you use for things is gonna pick up something... it goes away when you clean it... no condensing as I originally said...

My system cleans fine with isopropol... to be honest, I've never even seen a residue from DMT on the volcano, it usually vapes completely clean.

 

[ibeing897]

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before... but it doesn't ruin your volcano, it doesn't smell at all if you use a liquid filter and they're replaceable bags don't forget, so it ain't gonna stay around long anyway... plus I've never witnessed any condensing on the bag, it doesnt happen quick enough to be a problem... it's an extremely smooth smoke, efficient, powerful, if you haven't tried it then you don't know, but I prefer it to vg, dry bong, water bong and changa... it's also the safest mechanism and allows certain freedoms that are complicated otherwise, like vaping in the tub or near things your concerned may catch fire... downsides are price, needs to be relatively close to an electrical outlet.

thats excellent you have first hand info!

I have a volcano and once I tried vaporizing some camphor and mint because someone in the house was sick... the smell REALLY stayed in the rubbers and the loading chamber even after soaking in warm alcohol, washing many times, etc.. It took over a week of cleaning and cleaning again to get the smell out, also even after changing the bag! Thats why I supposed with dmt it wouldnt be much different, I decided better keep it for thc products and use vaporgenie for dmt instead, but if you say so, good to know!

so the connection of the bag, with all those pieces and the rubbers, it didnt catch ANY smell ? And no dmt condensed in the baloon? how much dmt was loaded in the chamber, what temp did you vap at, and how many baloons was this quantity fill up?

What rubber bits picked up the smell? theres only 2 rubber rings and they're replaceable as well, I have a big bag of them... I've got to say the idea of not using a vaporizer because it may start to smell of the thing your vaporizing doesnt sound right.

 

[LucidLemonade]

SWIM has only ever tried DMT via the volcano a few times & one of them was his very first time ever.

Many years ago after SWIM finally extracted what he believed to be DMT [ and indeed it was ] & having nothing else available loaded a small amount off said white crystals <10mg into the volcano with a small amount of MJ.

As SWIM first breathed out this strange MJ/combination smell everything around him started to ripple like waves a then huge grin then followed! & I've been told that he's never looked back

So SWIM can certainly vouch for the volcano being an excellent delivery system, but the bags will smell of DMT after the very first go & the plastic parts will smell after a few goes, but the smell can easily be removed with a good clean.

Although, SWIM must state that he's only ever used it a few times this way as he prefers a simple glass water bong as it's much easier to clean & once you've used DMT though a volcano bag that’s pretty much it's only use then.. & he doesn't like to change the bags that often.

 

[ibeing897]

I can see how people don't want to mix the herb smells, but you're gonna get that with any implement... the volcano actually has an advantage on that one, because you could always get a second bag set, and you could probably get by with a single chamber+wire filter...

 

[endlessness]

The rubber that had the smell was this small blue rubber that is inside the bag, it basically closes the valve when the spring is not pushed, you know what I mean?

I didnt have replacement parts, specially not this rubber, and as I said I did try cleaning with warm alcohol even but it kept a huge smell of camphor which ruined it for me when wanting to smoke weed...

But as I mentioned I never tried vaporizing dmt in the volcano.. I had heard of too much dmt condensing inside the bag quickly therefore not being effective, which is nice that you are saying from your experience that its not true, and the other point was with this bad experience with other herbs and smell impregnating, so I just decided it was not worth it... But in the light of the new information that has come up, I guess its mostly just about one having all the replacement parts, and then its no problem

 

[elphologist1]

As a non-smoker, I guess my throat/lungs are just particularly sensitive to hot vapor. I have tried DMT several times, by heating in a test tube and inhaling the vapor. Each time I end up coughing, and afterwards my throat burns (one time my tongue burned because I managed to direct the hot air at my tongue before I brethed it). I'm also not real happy with having to quickly try to place the hot test tube and inhalation tube in a safe place after inhaling. I've read of people burning themselves this way, and if not done very carefully it seems this could be a fire hazard as well. I think the trip would be smoother and more insightful without having to be concerned about things such as this.

I don't really want to leave things like bongs around for others to find. And again, as a non-smoker, beginning a trip by messing with a lighter just doesn't seem right. I'm eventually planning to look into possibly heating up some kind of wire (nichrome?) with a battery and see if I can vaporize that way - maybe some type of circuit to control how much electricity flows and thus how fast it vaporizes.

elphologist

 

[State of the Mind]

As a non-smoker, I guess my throat/lungs are just particularly sensitive to hot vapor.

As its the heat of the vapour/smoke that is agitating SWIY's lungs, SWIM recommends that SWIY buys/makes a bong that filters the smoke through water (possibly with ice for extra smooth smoke :d ).

SWIY have a few options here:
As Angel_Above posted in another topic, here is the link for a very effective vaporizer that passes the smoke through water: HelixPipe :d

Another option that is a bit cheaper is the use of a vaporiser that is longer than what SWIY is using; a test tube. The benefits of using a longer vaporiser is that the smoke has more of a chance to cool before it reaches your lungs. A nice example of one of these at a quite reasonable price of £14.99 can be found here: Eagle Bill's Vaporizing Piple.

I don't really want to leave things like bongs around for others to find.

SWIM understands this but SWIM can't really see an effective way around this problem. If it is extremely important to SWIY that things like bongs are not left around, then the only suggestion SWIM can give is that SWIY tries a different method of administration.

Hope this helped :?