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Basification of DMT acetate with lime/sodium carbonate

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SWIM has been using a TEK somewhat like a reverse-defat

Simply it goes

Basify Bark with NaOH
Pull with XYLENE
Seperate XYLENE, add vinegar

Then you are left with vinegar with the DMT from the XYLENE in acetate form



He has tried using Sodium Carbonate, but yielded 0 spice, Same with Lime.

But NaOH produces great white crystals.

Shouldn't Lime or Carbonate work, in theory it should, shouldn't it?


If anyone has had success using either of those could you provide specifics.

Cheers all you space cadets!
 
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To freebase 50% of all the DMT present in a plant you need only a pH of 8.68. pH 10 can freebase over 90% of all the DMT. This is a based on DMT’s pKa. Sodium carbonate can bring a solution to 11.4. At pH 11.4 more than 99% of all the DMT is freebased. When using an A/B extraction you only need 50% freebased for good results. For an STB you need 99% for good results.

SWIM only uses sodium carbonate for DMT extractions when doing an A/B. Also he uses calcium hydroxide for STB techs, but only ones designed for calcium hydroxide. SWIM never uses sodium hydroxide for anything.

And YES, SWIM gets great yields. It all depends on the tech used. If you use a tech that NEEDS sodium hydroxide, then you need to use sodium hydroxide. But this idea that sodium carbonate is not a strong enough base to freebase DMT is absolutely not correct. It’s an internet rumor some idiot started many years ago who knows nothing about chemistry. Because of the low pKa of DMT, it can be freebased with ammonia, sodium carbonate, calcium hydroxide, sodium hydroxide, and quite a few other bases. Sodium Bicarbonate is not good to use though because it can only freebase about 20% of the DMT at once. But it can be made to work in an A/B, but will be very inefficient requiring a lot of pulls.
 
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SWIM found the problem and will try the basification again!

he used his bad chemistry math and calculated that ~10g of sodium carbonate solution PER Litre would make a ~.1 molar solution which would be ~11ph

How much does SWIY use 69ron? If you don't mind?
 
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69ron said:
To freebase 50% of all the DMT present in a plant you need only a pH of 8.68. pH 10 can freebase over 90% of all the DMT. This is a based on DMT’s pKa. Sodium carbonate can bring a solution to 11.4. At pH 11.4 more than 99% of all the DMT is freebased. When using an A/B extraction you only need 50% freebased for good results. For an STB you need 99% for good results.
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Hey Ron when you say "you only need 50% freebased for good results for A/B" are you saying 50percent of the DMT that is not free based remains in solution as a salt? This seems like a stupid question perhaps I am missing something in the post.

Thanks
MV
 
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69ron said:
And YES, SWIM gets great yields. It all depends on the tech used. If you use a tech that NEEDS sodium hydroxide, then you need to use sodium hydroxide. But this idea that sodium carbonate is not a strong enough base to freebase DMT is absolutely not correct. It’s an internet rumor some idiot started many years ago who knows nothing about chemistry. Because of the low pKa of DMT, it can be freebased with ammonia, sodium carbonate, calcium hydroxide, sodium hydroxide, and quite a few other bases. Sodium Bicarbonate is not good to use though because it can only freebase about 20% of the DMT at once. But it can be made to work in an A/B, but will be very inefficient requiring a lot of pulls.
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Swim did some more experimenting and found ron to be absolutely correct. :) Question: will excessive basing such as in the dmt handbook result in a loss of yield?
 
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