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Last week I had the best Pharmahuasca experience ever.

What made it so good was the preparations. The previous last time I had a pretty sad experience and this time I decided that everything had to be ok. I had a big look at what went wrong the time before.

In my opinion I did almost everything wrong that could be done wrong, I was hasted, my mind wasn't set to it and my DMT had probably degraded in time and last but not least I was pretty tired.

This time it had to be different so I did the following to make sure all was ok: It began with a very good nightrest, about 10 hours of sleep. When I woke up I did some meditation to focus the mind and after that I went for a walk into town to give my body some much needed exercise. For this occasion I had bought myself some beautifull common plants to have a better feeling of nature surrounding me during my journey.

The DMT I still had from about a year ago was "washed": I gave it a nice and shining lye bath after which I extracted it with solvent which in turn I evapped. About 500mg went in and about 170mg usefull substance came out since I couldn't be bothered scraping the hell out of my pirex dish this time, meditation was a much better way of focussing.

The preparation ot the Rue was different this time. I took 3 grams, didn't grind it but made a tea from the whole seeds. This tea in turn was cleaned from tannins with egg-white. Normally the rue extract is a non see through substance, after the egg-white treatment it was a clear, almost tea-like transparent liquid. The egg-white I filtered out was really dirty looking, it must have cought something.

An hour before the beginning of the journey I watched a DVD from a Pink Floyd concert I really like, it helped me put my state of mind to the right direction.

Next I had decided that all electic stuff in my house should be shut off during the journey, except the fridge of course since that would give me a very unhappy girlfriend.

I drank the rue-tea which didn't taste THAT vile thanks to the egg-white tannin removal and half an hour later I swallowed a DMT-pill with 170mg of re-extracted DMT in it.

Half an hour after popping the DMT-pill the journey took off. This time it was much different compared to other journeys. I was sitting in bed with my back against the wood and I felt a warm glow pulse through my vaines. Next I closed my eyes and saw a glowing milkey grey/white environment filled with happy entities. It was like a big party where all the respectfull ones were invited. Did the previous journey felt like the party was over and everybody left, this time I came to the party at its height.

At one moment I remembered about the question of other travelers in the DMT-realms so I popped this question, a sudden shockwave rolled through the party and I thought to myself "ohw, ok" and stopped bothering about it.

After about an hour later I was still having a good time and though "for science it would be a good thing to test that if I drank something, that instead of tasting it, I maybe could hear or see it". So I took of, dmt-drunk as I was, to the kitchen were I still had some caffiene/suger free Cola sitting around (why I had that bottle is another story). I took a sip and great god, it tasted as bad as expected but sadly it gave no extra visuals/audibles. I washed my mouth with water and went back to the bedroom.

After this "sciene project" I was at one moment thinking about going outside to go to a nice dancing place but discarded that idea quickly when I discovered how cosy and warm my bed was.

All together the experiece lasted about three hours and all these hours I was in control and could go everywhere I liked. Afterwards I felt reborn and got up to go to that nice dancing place I was thinking about before to have some fun.


Big lesson I learned from this journey: Respect the spice and it will be your biggest friend. I somehow have the feeling "I cracked the DMT-code" but that will probably only last until the next journey. ;)
 
Awesome ! .. and no nausea.? You ate food during the trip, or did you fast before, during and after..?

170 mg is a honking huge dose ! I have a hunch swallowing dmt-freebase is always many degrees less nauseating than trying to drink lemony-MHRB-extract, even if you de-tannin the purple juice.

Here's my story to report, a "yage" type concoction -I used gelatin (animal cartilage protein) to de-tannin a lemon juice extract of 13.5g MHRB (in 200 ml) - it worked well enough to be able to tell the difference compared to non-gelatin-treated MHRB-lemony-extract. I just stirred in the gelatin grains for 1 hour and then filtered 3 times (took a day to clear out 200 ml purple extract).

After the rue-extract was drank, 30 minutes later I drank 6.5g MHRB worth of the de-tanninized MHRB-juice (100 ml) diluted 10:1 with Orange Juice. At 10:1 it was too diluted so the effects rated as a '4.5/10' where I had hoped for 6.5/10. .... On my scale-of-tripping I call 150 mg dmt-freebase a '9/10', so this concoction was a low-dose, and it was too dilute to 'hit' with a peak.

I had no nausea and felt something coming on in 30 minutes, so the lights went out and I rested on the couch. Lots of CEV that were 'starting' kept promising a 'show', but nothing really 'arrived' - lots of sleepy hypnogogic imagery, a 'communing with my subconscious' feeling from teh visuals ... but comfy and warm dreaminess is all that happened. The notes I took stopped after 75 minutes, as I had reached a broad, low-level peak, and was too sleepy to get up.

BUT then ! ... at 120 minutes into the low-ride, I decided to chug back the rest of the de-tannined lemony-MHRB extract in a 4:1 dilution in OJ..>! This rested in me for 45 minutes, and really did not boost the ride (MAOIs were finished..?) Then, very suddenly, it DEMANDED to get out of me .. and I had a healthy hewl of all the juice I had just chugged - seeming to have not absorbed any ... as I was surprised at the volume I had in me !

So pharmahuasca is less likely to make you puke compared to this 'Yage' type juice - lesson leaned ! I had the feeling the Yage-ride would be easy if I had no nausea, and diluting it 10:1 did the trick to avoid all puking, but reduced the effects. A 4:1 dilution was absolutely puke-i-facient.. !

The dmt-freebase is a good 'sharp' dose' when you take it all in one 'pill'. Eating a big shot of dmt-freebase has made me puke too, but the effects had hit already. It can be tweaked to get rid of all nausea I assume, but on a fasting stomach I am sensitive.

I have felt my body is saying - stomach says; " wtf..?! how did all this dmt get in here .>!?" .. sympathetic nerves kick in with "Wrong portal... wrong portal - prepare to evacuate !" and all over my body cells are wondering - " so where's the MAO mop-up crew.>!?".. it's a bummer to trip all nauseous...

But I am drawn to pharmahuasca, nausea or no nausea. It scared the sheep out of me the first time at 150 mg-dmt - it is stunningly potent once MAOIs are shutdown ! And you are right about having to prepare every aspect of 'set' and setting. That pre-charge of sleep is critical, as the dmt can make you too sleepy if you are already tired.
 
Interesting reports thanks for sharing. Think I might go down this road, every time ive bought cappi its either not been potent or at the beginning ive not brewed it correctly, just havent had any luck with it so far, not going to give up, but rue and spice is there so think ill give it a bash, cheers.
 
You're both welcome El KA Bong and Infinite I.


El Ka Bong said:
Awesome ! .. and no nausea.? You ate food during the trip, or did you fast before, during and after..?

170 mg is a honking huge dose ! I have a hunch swallowing dmt-freebase is always many degrees less nauseating than trying to drink lemony-MHRB-extract, even if you de-tannin the purple juice.


About 4 hours before the journey I ate four white buns with cheese and butter. Being hungry while traveling is distracting. I also drank a little less water as usual to support a better uptake.

I was a little afraid I might still have some nausia, even with the de-tanning of the rue but just after the journey started I asked if I needed to purge in order to heal but the answer was "just a little burp and everything will be fine". So just a few moment after that revelation I had a little burp and everything was fine, how convenient.

Rue with freebase DMT seems to be the path to follow.

I already have 250g of rue waiting to be extracted so everything will be in pill form without those pesky tannins or whatever makes you feel sick.

And just in case the purge is part of some healing proces I'm delighted to tell you I have some really nice Caapi and other Amazone DMT-herbs to make a good brew. :)


btw. thanks you for your story El Ka bong. And on the scale of trippin this experience of mine must be an 8/10, it was really warming and fulfilling but all the way I stayed in control so no real taken-away trippin.
 
I've been planning on going down the pharmahuasca road real soon here, thank you guys for posting your experiences. Now I have a much clearer idea of things to take into consideration for it, since it seems like a somewhat different process than freebasing...Normally I'm pretty lax about enforcing set and setting rules, but it sounds like I should probably bite down and ritualize the pharma experience.
 
Making my head clear and focussing on the coming experience did the trick for me.

I guess its all about your state of mind. Please don't ritualize it but just find a way to endorse your own mind. You can use my experience to learn from but now way should you see it as THE way (although it might also work for you). ;)
 
This is something my friend is definitely interested in. He has some syrian rue. He will try smoking the freebase first w/ the maoi, then will try eating it. When you say you're experience was several hours...Was this 3 hours of in-your-face "peak" travel time? That sounds like it could be a bit much for my friend.
 
newswimmer said:
When you say you're experience was several hours...Was this 3 hours of in-your-face "peak" travel time? That sounds like it could be a bit much for my friend.

Of these three hours I would say about 45minutes up to an hour was "peak" travel time. the rest was coming down and enjoying the shifted colours of my room.
 
Anything under 150mgs is a threshold dose for me. 200mgs is a light dose... I need around 300mgs with either a strong caapi brew or 4grams raw (250mgs extracted freebase) rue to have a strong trip. YMMV. I am around 270lbs.
 
I will say that my best experience was my first because well, It was my first and so many things that I couldn't even begin to imagine had happened. After that I would say some of my better experiences have been while with good folks who do it as well, but my latest takes the cake with the exception of my first time:

I started last saturday night around 10 pm, I had eaten some P. Cubensis (3/4 ounce or so, ground) and decided that while waiting I would go ahead and vaporize about 50 Mgs spice. The OEV and CEV were very pleasent to say the very least, very active. I started coming down off of the spice and while I was coming, the P.cubensis started doing its thing, that made for a very, very pleasing transistion I noticed that O.E.V. from the spice hadn't gone away completely, everything still had a rainbow, gridlike shimmer to it, the CEVs where becoming very abstract with the grid always present. Two hours or so pass.

I get the idea in my head to push it, just to see what would happen so I load my pipe up with around 125 Mgs. spice. 40 mgs being jungle spice and 85 being pure white crystals. I take it all in long and slow, about 6 pulls. Number 4 was a beast, Number 5 and 6 were almost impossible because as most of us are aware.. motor control is extremely difficult. Plus my lungs were like "Yikes! GTFO WITH THAT!!"

Okay.. I dove deep into the unknown. I had at least two points where I let it completely go. The first time I ended up being surrounded by these giant pink and blue floating catfish things that didn't look entirely to happy to see me so after a few minutes of being snarled and glared at, I forced my eyes open and looked around at my surroundings. word cannot describe it. so I'll leave it be for now. I thought that was more or less going to be the ride but it continued on. I closed my eyes again after maybe 5 minutes and let go and to give you an idea of what was there all you have to do is look at the banner for this forum. at least the left and right side of the banner. Not the middle. everthing had those colors with dark, thick lines. It all seemed very pacific northwest tribe. That was a new one for me.

anyhow, A lot more had happened, and I am sure you get the idea more or less but for the sake of saving space with the thread I will end it there for now but my nigt didn't end until around 9 am sunday. I have to honestly say that for me, It was simply the most intense journey I have gone on and to be completely honest with you and myself: I want to go back there again really soon.
 
acolon_5 said:
Anything under 150mgs is a threshold dose for me. 200mgs is a light dose... I need around 300mgs with either a strong caapi brew or 4grams raw (250mgs extracted freebase) rue to have a strong trip. YMMV. I am around 270lbs.

Ah yes, the weight equition. I'm around 82kg myself. So 170mg DMT at 82kg bodyweight.
 
pattern said:
Nice report... what made you so in control of the trip?

I guess it was the complete focus of my mind together with my preparations to become like that. My mind was to say "completely focussed and at ease with itself". Yes, that must be it, at ease with itself.

Somehow I've got the feeling that the journeys I make are right into my subconsiousness. If my mind is at ease and completely focussed it will be a clear sky, waiting for heaven to dawn.


And Ixxy, I completely understand you with going back there.
 
Ixxy said:
I had eaten some P. Cubensis (3/4 ounce or so, ground)


So that's 21g dried? Geez...


Anyway, this was all very interesting. Thank you Trav and all others who contributed!

This was the first I've heard of using 'animal proteins' to remove tannins from portions of the brew. Def. sounds like a great way to reduce nausea.

El Ka Bong said:
I have felt my body is saying - stomach says; " wtf..?! how did all this dmt get in here .>!?" .. sympathetic nerves kick in with "Wrong portal... wrong portal - prepare to evacuate !" and all over my body cells are wondering - " so where's the MAO mop-up crew.>!?"..

rofl
 
It really isn't. I weight out everything that is heavy enough on a triple beam.

I have eaten more then that before, not at one time of course but more over a course of 6 hours or so. I kind of wanted to see what that much would do in one sitting. Also, I didn't feel anyone wanted to know about the part where I vomited a few hours into it all.
 
I would like to know more about this egg white wash.

Could you describe this please? Do you just separate the whites and dump them in? Or do you beat the whites so they are fluffy and then put them into the tea as it is brewing? Please explain the process you used.
 
Hello EZ4U2Shoot,

The process I used was like this:
1. add 3g of whole (ungrinded) rue-seeds to half a liter of water
1.5 add some vinegar
2. boil for 1/2 hour
3. Get the pan off the fire
4. take egg-white from one unboiled egg and add it to the pan while stirring.
5. boil for another 1/4 hour
6. Remove as much egg-white as possible with a metal filter
7. when boiled down to about 70ml filter through coffee filter
8. What drips through the coffee filter you can drink, it's a tea-like transparent liquid now

note: after removing the egg-white in step 6 there will still be some egg white left in the pan, don't worry about this since the coffee filter will take care of the rest of the egg-white.
note2: I used one egg but using two or more shouldn't be a problem.


Hope this helps EZ4U2Shoot.
 
It's easy to do - wine stores sell many granular proteins that can be used to remove tannins - just stirr in 1/2 tsp of granular gelatin per 200 ml MHRB extract, watch it expand, and then filter once or twice until it clears (put in fridge to settle). It changes the taste a bit - less sour. Chitin, boiled egg white, milk proteins are a few other powders/solids that sponge-up tannins, and that you can filter out.

MHRB extract in lemon Juice is still likely to make you puke even if de-tannined, but a rue-seed extract probably does not need to be treated for tannin removal. If you just don't eat the seed parts, you'll not get any nausea. Grind them to dust, extract in acid (lemon), and filter well. Traveller - you should add some vinegar to those eggs !
 
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