Best way for first time: DMT, Changa, or Pharma?

[MtHighlands]

I’m planning how to approach my first DMT experience and wanted to get some advice for a first timer. I’m quite new to Psycadelics but have had a few San Pedro trips and regular weed with CEVs.

I have a good trip sitter and a comfortable space.

What would you say would be the best way to try DMT for the first time?

- DMT Vaped from a GvG
- Vaped from a bong
- Changa
- Changa predosed with sublingingal Harmalas
- Pharmauasca
- other?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Exitwound]

If you are first timer and doing it alone (without experienced guide) and don't have much experience with substance yourself, I'd say try freebase vaped (gvg or machine or whatever works for you) first.

As it's short duration trip, which is very important, and less dosages/numbers to screw up. It will teach you about the substance and it will teach you to respect it.

If you feel you are comfortable with freebase, try changa. Then decide whether you want to have a long trip with aya or pharma.

 

[Jees]

I'd vote changa because it rounds off the freebase clubbing hit (thinking about entry doses) and extends things in time.
But all is very personal so a general advise is hard to give.
2 cents

 

[Sabnock1990]

I'd say Changa or taking the stuff orally (Pharma/Aya/Ana). Rue and Mimosa/Acacia was my first Psychedelic/Entheogen, and so far definitely my favorite. Changa was cool but i much prefer to take the stuff orally.

 

[MtHighlands]

I guess one thing I was wondering...

What is the difference in the come up when comparing vaped DMT to Changa. From what I gather, with straight DMT there may be a hum, geometries, and then a rocket blast off sort of feeling before the break through. Also some people describe getting stuck in the “waiting room” when they didn’t inhale an appropriate amount of vapor.

For Changa how would you describe the come-up or pre-break through phase? Many have described it being a ‘smoother’ transition. With Changa can you find yourself in the same type of ‘places’ as vaped DMT or do you find the different herbs mixtures tend to adjust your compass so to speak.

Please forgive if these interpretations are totally incorrect. I assume my understanding is flawed and our language hasn’t evolved enough to quite describe phenomena so very few have experienced.

 

[Love appears]

I would describe the come up of Changa and DMT for DMT being like "snap" kind of thing, while Changa has been more "slidey" on the come up and after that too. Practically that means, in my experience, that there is more time for gathering data.

Remember that freebase does things that Changa wont be able to, and vice versa. I think the point is, to work with what suits you the best.

 

[Electro Monk]

ask yourself, how much wisdom can you process without experience
a small dose cant teach you a lot, a medium or even high dose will just left you confused.

now, i learned that from mistakes. i cant tell you to not to it too. it was hypocrisy.
again, challenge your goals

there must always be a small roam for doubt. it is necessary.
this last remnant is important as it reminds you to remain vigilant against learned dogma.
its a watch dog process of your brain.
now. you might come to the realization that you decided what to do, how much, when, where, with whom?
if you are certain, the last doubt is necessary, and not harmful, as long as you analyze the core of it, argued this matter from all angles an perspective your mind is able to show you.
if you then realize the arguments of your doubt, you can decide that there are opposing arguments of same or possibly greater value to weight against.
if let go of the conflict at this point, it will dissolve and you will be free.(for a day)


afterthought: i try to never use absolutes until i am sure a meaning demands it.
this text is full of absolutes, of advise, and with little room to challenge.
its the nature of my beast. i can just give you advise from my perspective as well i can.
hope it helps.
save travel


regarding vaporized or ingested dmt
there is a person on you tube who made a vid why he will never vaporize dmt again
he said
vaporizing dmt gives you one page
to understand, process and challenge within a few minutes
doing dmt orally then he compared to reading the whole book
you can go back a page
magnify interesting parts
marvel at the images
and move on
you will have the time to learn. where vaporized dmt leaves you with many questions and few answers, orally dmt leaves you with a few real interesting questions, and if you are lucky, even an answer or a lost psychological treasure

 

[Exitwound]

From what I gather, with straight DMT there may be a hum, geometries, and then a rocket blast off sort of feeling before the break through.

I've had plenty relatively mellow comeups on FB whilest very high on weed. Though weed makes you forget trips easily.
Typically yes as you describe it, but it can be very very different each time.
When dose smoked is strong enough, you are pretty much switched into different dimension, without a warning.

 

[Jees]

...I've had plenty relatively mellow comeups on FB whilest very high on weed. Though weed makes you forget trips easily...

Yes. It dulls trypta intensity feeling imho and afterwards feel like having had a little accident (in a figurative funny way) with memory loss. And blacking out too.

 

[Jagube]

I'd vote for tea. Lasts long, feels wholesome, is easy to prepare and reduces the chance of failure. With the most common DMT plants (Chacruna, Chali, MHRB, ACRB), there is really no need to extract. That only comes in when you venture into other Acacias or the grasses.

For the force, either Rue or Caapi will do. My preference is to do a Manske extraction on Rue, but that takes some research. An effective simple tea is a good first step, which can give you the motivation to look into some of the more advanced techniques later.