Black currant juice, MAO, Gummihuasca

[grollum]

Hey there,

I stumbled about this thread on shroomery.org Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

which is about the dangers and possible use of black currant juice as a MAO inhibitor in combination with psychedelic mushrooms.

Since most threads on this topic deal with the combination of blackcurrant and mushrooms, i asked myself if there are experiences regarding the use of it with dmt containing plants.

does someone here knows of someone who had experience in this direction?

 

[Wolfnippletip]

I tried it and followed the directions related in that shroomery post. It didn't work for me. One gram of Cubes felt like one gram of Cubes. I made sure I got some recommended juice, drank supposedly plenty enough to inhibit and waited the recommended amount of time.

If you are trying to maximize shroom effect you might want to try mixing with Syrian Rue Tea, being very very careful how you dose the combo.

 

[grollum]

Hey there,

thanks for your estimation. I am wondering if maybe for the positive reports in the thread the fasting maybe was the pushing factor they were not used to. Or maybe you had a juice which was different despite the same product name and packaging.

Since it is not really complicated SWIM might test it in the future...

 

[syberdelic]

I would express serious doubts as to the effectiveness as an MAOI-B. The pure chemical quercetin seems to be about 100x less effective than harmine which would put the dosage at around 10-20g for most people to have significant inhibition. Even assuming a high content of 200mg/kg, This would require the quercetin content of at least 50kg of black currants.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I think the whole idea is based upon the small levels of a couple of betacarboline compounds found in blackcurrant juice. Hydroxymethylflazin and something similar. Shulgin mentioned them in the back of TIHKaL. Whether these compounds are effective MAOIs at the levels found in blackcurrant juice seems to lean somewhat towards the negative.

 

[acacaya]

thats interesting about the blackcurrants.
i have found after eating alot ov fresh
subbies from balingup in wa that they really didnt do much
after the first day or two.
as with most shrooms if you try to push them for to long.
but i desided that i wouldnt get any more out of the big shopping bag we had left,
of fresh subbies so i gave them to a friend.
and i told him about my dilemna.
and he said no worries bro,
that he learnt this trick in bali,!
mango smoothies:thumb_up: .
so i tried it with half the normal does that i had been having the previous
two days,
and to my shere astonishment!:thumb_up: :shock:
i sipped it slowly just to tast wat wet mushrooms
and mango puree tasted like,
funny it tasted just like,
mushroomy mango puree:shock: :thumb_up:
anyway it tasted realy good,
so id drank half probably 4 grams with mango.
over about 7 or 8 minutes,
then smoked a siggy and went for a piss,
so 10 minutes all up,
and as soon as i turned the light on in the toilet,
i was struck by full on dmt cyber patterns and colors,!:shock:
and when i started pissing it looked like full on lightbeems coming out
of my u know wat,
i think that was the best piss i eva had:grin: .
WOW full blown halucinations in just ten minutes that just kept climbing
exponentialy for 2 hours till it leveled out.
it was like 8 grams of dried cubes .
i couldnt even finish the cup.
i just sared at the cup wanting more but teh nausia
stoped me.
somthin in the mango just works crazy good.
now i wont take shrooms without fress organic mangos.
and id been picking cubes since i was quite young.
anyway try that.

 

[Forestwalker]

It may be difficult to acquire but Passion flower fruits are a great Maoi , in fact some tribes in Brazil will use pressed fruits with mimosa barks as a 'sweet wine' ayahuasca type alternative . I've actually met a Brazilian relocated here who spent time with the tribe drinking this type of oral route DMt . I'm positive it would work on mushrooms since beta carbs are present in higher percentages than say the leaves of Passion flower vines, I sometimes see passion fruit for sale at my local grocery is why I bring it up along with the currant discussion . Hope this helps some

 

[grollum]

I am really wondering what is going on there with the mango smoothie...
Is mango known of any MAO content?

SWIM used to drink mushroom orange juice brew years ago which was not working special in any way. SWIM did it for reduction of nausea and better taste.

The info with the passionfruit juice is interesting. The juice can be ordered online quite easy if it is not possible to get fresh fruits or juice elsewhere.
It would be really interesting to get some more infos about that tribe you mentioned @Forestwalker . Do you know any name ore region?

EDIT: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26892
this thread has some interesting infos about passionflower fruits

 

[downwardsfromzero]

There's more to metabolism than MAO (MAngO ). We're probably looking at cytochrome P450 interactions here. I doubt mango could be used to orally activate DMT. Mushrooms are orally active already...

 

[acacaya]

mango

 

[Forestwalker]

If mango equals Maoi and Maoi equals magic then mango equals magic

 

[grollum]

I would say, in the end its quite clear for me.
Mango equals Mango.

 

[1ce]

That's actually really interesting as black currants grow here in obscene amounts.

 

[grollum]

If the content of MAOS is not so high one could also make an extract or a sirup out of it...

 

[Forestwalker]

Grollum I can find out the lady who spent time with them lives the next city over , I'll ask her the next time I see her she runs a shamanic healing center so I run into people who visit her quite a bit. I know she preferred it to ayahuasca saying it was much much sweeter I imagine so with Passion flower fruits

 

[grollum]

Grollum I can find out the lady who spent time with them lives the next city over , I'll ask her the next time I see her she runs a shamanic healing center so I run into people who visit her quite a bit. I know she preferred it to ayahuasca saying it was much much sweeter I imagine so with Passion flower fruits

That would be very nice. Thanks!

 

[TRYPTAMINIES]

Mango Fruit as Medicine
Diposkan oleh Yuli Ardian di Tuesday, March 12, 2013

Mango (Mangifera indica L.), was first recorded, originally from India and have been known to the local community since 4000 years ago. Found in the historical record that Alexander the Great was a stranger who first saw the mango plantations in the Indus Valley in the year 327 BC. Manga, so the first people to call it, comes from the Malayalam (South India). Latin name mango is Mangifera indica, which means "fruitful mango tree". Actually mango is also found in Southeast Asia, Australia and Central America.

Mango Fruit as Medicine - Alesha Tips
Not only delicious to eat, mangos are healthy. In one mango, contains an average of 105% percent of calories, 76% vitamin C, 25% vitamin A, 11% vitamin B6, 9% prebiotic fiber, 9% copper, 7% potassium, and 4% magnesium. The content of vitamin A and flavonoids contained quite high in mango, helps maintain eye health. Vitamin A can prevent the eye from blindness and dry eyes. The content of malic acid, citric acid and tartaric acid in mango help maintain the availability of alkali in tubuh.Selain that mangoes can help keep your skin look so beautiful and healthy. This is because the mango fruit contains compounds that clean the pores and remove acne that grows on the skin.
Here are the benefits of mango as a drug:

Prevent Cancer
Research suggests antioxidant compounds in mangoes protect the body against the risk of colon cancer, breast, leukemia and prostate cancers. Compounds in mangoes which play a role in preventing cancer quercetin, isoquercitrin, astragalin, fisetin, gallic acid and methylgallat.
Lowering Cholesterol
Tinnginya fiber, pectin and vitamin C in mango help lower blood cholesterol levels.
Brighten Skin
Compounds in mango are able to clean your pores and remove acne on the skin. Can be used both internally and externally to the skin.
Healthy Eyes
A cup of mango supplies 25 percent of the daily value of vitamin A as needed. Therefore, consumption of mango both for clarity of vision and prevent dry eyes.
Meet the Needs of Alkali
Tartaric acid, malic acid, and citric acid in these fruits helps keep the body's alkaline reserve.
Normalize Insulin Levels
Mango leaves help normalize insulin levels in the blood. Mango fruit also has a relatively low glycemic index (41-60) so it's pretty harmless to mengkosumsi mango sugar levels.
Boosting Performance Sex
Mangoes are rich in vitamin E. Despite popular relationship between sex drive and vitamin E was originally created by generalizing the study in mice, further research showed intake of mangoes can help increase sex drive.
Improve Digestion
The fiber in the mango also help smooth digestion and secretion products of digestion.
In Heat Treating
The heat of the sun can cause muscle fatigue and diuretic problems. "Heat waves" caused kidney suffered in neutralizing toxic overload. At times like these cooling the body by consuming mango juice highly recommended.
Immune Boost
The amount of vitamin C and vitamin A sufficient, plus 25 types of carotenoids in mango helps keep your immune system healthy and strong.

 

[TRYPTAMINIES]

From a scientific perspective, Passion fruit contains phytochemicals such as, harmine, passaflorine, harman, harmalin, harmol, vitexin, carotenoids, chrysin, isovitexin, scopoletin and theobromine. Phytochemicals are non-nutritive plant chemicalsthat have protective or disease preventive properties. They are nonessential nutrients, meaning that they are not required by the human body for sustaining life; however, it is well-known that plants produce these chemicals to protect themselves.

The leaves, flowers, peels and stems are all used as medicine in different ways. The leaves mainly contain the alkaloids. Harman, mentioned above, lowers blood pressure naturally. The flower can be made into a sedative and antispasmodic. Passion flower is also used to treat nervous disorders, bronchial conditions, arthritis, asthma, insomnia, gastrointestinal disorders and menopausal symptoms. Carotenoids and polyphenols in the yellow fruit extract can also kill cancer cells in vitro.
Grandmother

Grandmother

So you may be asking, what’s the whole religious thing about Passion Fruit? I first heard the following story from my grandmother when I was a child. Grandma would always make me a drink of some natural herb or fruit and tell me how they were connected to nature from a religious point of view; it was just her way. According to her, catholic missionaries who accompanied the Spanish Conquistadores in their conquest of the “New World” believed that there was a religious connection between the flower and the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, hence the name “Passion.” They associated the three stigmas of the fruit to the three nails used to pierce the hands and feet of Christ. They also saw the threads of the flower as representing the crown of thorns on Jesus’ head; the tendrils found on the vines as the whips that were used to lash him and the five anthers represented the five wounds, including the one made by the Spear of Destiny.

Now that I retell the stories that I learned as a young boy, I can say that I’ve left the religious part all behind! It’s a good thing that Granny is not around to see my spiritual evolution! The lessons my Grand Mother taught me about nature stuck with me throughout my long life, and they continue to reinforce me when I lose track of the spirit. In the on going age of the quick fix pill and the forgotten spiritual aspects of life, it is a relief to know that Passion is much more than a fruit that heals the body, but rather a fruit that is healing for the spirit and soul as well…
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[TRYPTAMINIES]

Mushrooms,
black currant,
mango,
passion flower fruit,
after being soaked in kaffir limes,
made into a smoothy.!!!

sounds like alchemy to me !

probably one of the most delicious smoothies on earth.

sorry but i think soaking in citric acid first might leach out some of the alkaloids?
there would be enough acid to soak the shrooms with in the smoothy anyway i think.!
BTW just add a little bit of karrir lime to the smoothy!
and let sit for a while!

theres gold in them there cow pats.

 

[Jagube]

Blackcurrant | ingredientrade

www.ingredientrade.com

Studies have also shown that concentrated Blackcurrant to be an effective Monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) (Bormann, et al. 1991.) Fifty grams of 5.5X concentrate was found to inhibit 92% of the Monoamine oxidase enzymes.

That would be 275 ml of plain juice.

Another paper here, but the tables are missing :?: : The pharmacodynamic profile of ‘Blackadder’ blackcurrant juice effects upon the monoamine axis in humans: A randomised controlled trial . They used doses equivalent to ~100 g of fresh fruit.

The current study illustrates a sustained significant reduction in peripheral platelet MAO-B activity of ~100 % by consuming ‘Blackadder’ blackcurrant when compared to control. This reduction began within 15 minutes of consumption, during the first post-dose epoch measured, and continued to be significantly reduced through to four hours post dose, that being the last measurement on the day of treatment. Platelet MAO-B activity had returned close to the pre-dose baseline level 24 hours post dose. Due to the extremely rapid inhibition of the platelet MAO-B enzyme, it is not possible to calculate a time to maximal inhibition. It would therefore be useful if future studies were conducted using several doses and shorter initial blood collection epochs. The profile of MAO-B inhibition of ‘Blackadder’ juice bears a notable similarity, to pharmaceutical reversible MAO-B specific inhibitors such as lazabemide

They focused on MAO-B, but elsewhere I've seen mentions that it also inhibits MAO-A, which would be necessary to make DMT orally active.

My shrub is having a massive flush now.