Body totally smashed after DMT and rue

[bismillah]

In the three days I've had two DMT sessions, both about an hour and 30 min. This is coming out of a hiatus of about 2 months. I ate 3.5 grams of rue seeds and then vaped something between 50-90 mg of dmt in portions until I felt I didn't need / couldn't take any more. The experiences were "normal" (as much as they can be) but I won't go into much detail because I'm still thinking about them myself.

What interested me this time around is that I had that profound determination and raw passion for life that comes in the afterglow (which I define as that 30-minute-or-so period after everything's calmed down but you're still tuned to the other channel). Immediately after both experiences I jumped right into practising my music and I had this laser-like focus... I knew what problems I had to solve and exactly what to do and I had inexhauatible will to go about doing it. That is, until about 40 minutes after both trips when I suddenly felt an immense tiredness that instantly obliterated my will to do anything. Like I haven't slept in a year. My sleep is poor, I cannot deny, but I hadn't felt it going in nor during.

Frustrating—particularly being unusually aware of all the things you've neglected but now want to do.

I usually always tripped late at night or in the evening so I don't know if this is to be expected. Maybe the load of digesting the rue? But the seeds never bothered me much at all. Interested to hear how others feel after smoking in the morning or noontime.

 

[Sabnock1990]

It's likely the Harmaline, which is one reason some people prefer Caapi over Rue because Harmine is more clean feeling whereas Harmaline is a bit drowsy/sedating/trancey/dreamy, however, Rue/Harmaline can be cleaned up, like with Lemon Balm tea (good for reducing bodyload), or Lemon EO, or a little bit of Caffeine, or many others different herbs/oils/supplements that are possible to be added to Rue, or Caapi for that matter, admixtures

But yeah if you wanna avoid Harmaline's sedative properties, try 2 grams of Rue and see what you think, 3 to 3.5 to 4 to 4.5 grams is gonna cause some sedation. Also keep in mind that Harmalas have a reverse tolerance, so if you consume the Rue/Caapi/Harmalas regularly it'll get stronger in dosage each time, which i personally like, but i also like that the side-effects and bodyload go away after some time of regular consumption.

 

[bismillah]

Interesting. I know high doses of rue induce a trance-like state but I didn't know there's an actual sedative effect. I'll look into your suggestions for next time.

 

[FranLover]

hi bismillah!

I like to smoke between 5-8pm on sunset, or at 4am to 7am on sunrise.

 

[dithyramb]

That harmaline or Syrian rue is toxic is a myth, not true. Since ten years I am practically one with Syrian rue. I get energized after ceremonies, with an explosion of Shen (spiritual energy) and I really have to channel it constructively, it's a responsibility.

I recognize your (short lived) afterglow from my experiences, and I am inclined to interpret your crash as you finally getting in touch with your physical+energetic body. İf you have chronically overtaxed yourself (lack of sleep etc) you are desparate for a rest and finally you feel this. Let yourself get all the rest you need and trust that the healing, transformation, empowerment will proceed in a healthy way.

P.S. whole plant extracts (e.g. strong decoction) of Spirit molecule including plants are more wholesome and healthy than ingesting a single molecule. I know I am an outsider in this forum for having this stance, but I let you know.

Also, take care to have a setting where your energy is protected, remains pure, and is conserved. This will lead to the topic of conducting proper ritual/ceremony, we can talk about this if you are interested.

Good luck with your journey.

 

[Jees]

My professional life leads to a disturbed bio rhythm and a huge part of my works with the molecules is to reset. When the molecules knock me down it's like a necessity that finds it's way to happen, to make the reset.
The body and mind seem capable of accumulating quite well, but then there must be times to compensate and get to a blanc slate again. Welcome the knock-outs wholeheartedly because if you don't then one way or another it might lead to unhealthy effects when chronic. I always think of little children how they can knock out sleepwise at any place anytime and it looks like pretty healthy calls.

It's true that harmine is more clear than harmaline but moreover harmine is shorter acting ime, when it cuts out it does that fast. Harmaline has a much slower tapering off. I really love the way rue is constituted by carrying both.

 

[coAsTal]

I just thought I'd post here that I have something very strange going on too-- neither my Rue harmalas or smoked DMT have worked for the last 2 days-- it's like there's something in my system malfunctioning and I can't feel it. Then today, I had an emergency.

Same harmalas I've always taken (I took 400mg yesterday and felt practically nothing!)
and this morning I tried again with 375mg -- no effect, and when I tried 30mg of DMT I had one of the most nightmarish panic attacks I've ever had.
My brain did nothing like what a DMT trip is supposed to to it-- no visual changes, but the singer's voice I was listening to (one of the most familiar songs I know) became some twisted perversion of itself-- unrecognizable as her-- like it was a different woman singing.

I was afraid I was in danger of dying, it felt so awful-- and I'm going to the doctor tomorrow about it. Something's not right.

 

[Jees]

...the singer's voice I was listening to (one of the most familiar songs I know) became some twisted perversion of itself-- unrecognizable as her-- like it was a different woman singing...

I recognize such an effect during one of my memorable experiences during a traditional aya group session.

Fact was the icaro singer is without a shadow of a doubt top class, non emotional singing with an almost alien robotic precision and pureness. Aya was at working levels and suddenly I hear his icaro changing, a lot, actually it got chopped up to the level of not recognizing the original tune anymore. Then the chopped pieces re arranged into a whole new song, a different song than he was singing. So the original song was like just a facade, a series of audible elements providing, then those elements broke loose to re arrange into the 'real' underlying masked true song to be discovered. I remember thinking ohhh that's where you (shaman) really are, now I'm with you finally. It kept working for a while and then the icaro fell back into it's regular format. Even when this was just an audible hallucination under drugs it worked darn pretty well.

So maybe your audible calamity is not that weird after all.

 

[bismillah]

I was afraid I was in danger of dying, it felt so awful-- and I'm going to the doctor tomorrow about it. Something's not right.

Sounds to me like you're using it too often or under a bad setting. I know from experience that any trip that begins with feelings of being rushed, stressed, unwilling or guilty is a trip straight to hell. Physical sickness and unusual reactions are not outside the norm for a bad trip.

Although who knows, maybe your body is telling you something. But generally it's wise not to panic when things seem dire (coronavirus, anyone?).