Boiling chacruna - how much water? + acid question

[Sicho Naut]

Hi all,

I have 150g of chacruna that I am eager to try (I intend to start with a 50g dose to gauge potency).
However, I cannot find clear information on how much water is necessary per amount of chacruna. If I do 3 boils, how much water should I use per boil?
Also, I was hoping to avoid the use of an acid to improve the taste. Would using more water compensate for the lack of an acid in terms of extracting all the goodies?

(Harmala's will be prepped and dosed separately.)

Thanks ahead!

 

[Transform]

Hi all,

I have 150g of chacruna that I am eager to try (I intend to start with a 50g dose to gauge potency).
However, I cannot find clear information on how much water is necessary per amount of chacruna. If I do 3 boils, how much water should I use per boil?
Also, I was hoping to avoid the use of an acid to improve the taste. Would using more water compensate for the lack of an acid in terms of extracting all the goodies?

(Harmala's will be prepped and dosed separately.)

Thanks ahead!

Hm, no other responses so far!

I've not worked with chacruna, but I'm pretty sure you can just use whatever is a manageable amount to cover the leaves to a reasonable depth. Three boils will do a pretty good job of efficient extraction. Use distilled water, or some other water with minimal dissolved minerals, so you can boil down to a convenient volume without lime precipitating on stuff.

 

[modern]

So with chacruna I wouldn't add any acid unless you plan on doing an extraction. The ph of the leaf is already acidic and you will be fine just doing a few boils. As for the amount of water it is up to you but most of the dmt will be pulled on the first regardless of the amount you use. I generally visual volume do 1:10 just visually and just do 2x pulls in PC. Then reduce with a hard boil until darkens in tone and then slow boil to prevent caramelizing. 15-30 minute pulls is more than enough IME. I could probably use less water.

How effective this method is IDK but I've never had issues. Early on I would add citric acid but the natural acids in the plants are enough to extract. Taste improved magnitudes over adding acids. Particularly the caapi tea... man it was terrible with citric acid. MAYBE adding peel would work better or small amount of juice but idk.

 

[Sicho Naut]

Thanks both!

Edit: One more question, with bark the recommendation is to powder the material as much as possible. Does this apply to chacruna leaves as well? Filtering would be easier if I keep the leaves in their shredded form, but maybe it would affect the extraction negatively?

 

[modern]

Thanks both!

Edit: One more question, with bark the recommendation is to powder the material as much as possible. Does this apply to chacruna leaves as well? Filtering would be easier if I keep the leaves in their shredded form, but maybe it would affect the extraction negatively?

I boil whole but also use a Pressure cooker. Powder is a pain for me I would do shredded or whole. Remember that the DMT is salted and mostly water soluble.