Boosting / bouncing?

[windyshaman]

I've tried searching, but my key words might be slightly out of wack... So, what does the tribal knowledge say about boosting or bouncing with consequent DMT hits?

And by this I mean the following: no matter the amount of spice taken in your first session - next session 1-2 hours later seems to be hitting a lot deeper even on lower doses.

I've experienced it previously to some degree of surprise, but this mornings second session has taken me the furthest yet... Let's just say - it re-defined my understanding of a breakthrough... the places I've been...

I'm also quite puzzled - as to how does one manage to remember "the other side"? At least - I'm having really hard time retaining most of it.

 

[Pandora]

windyshaman,

Welcome to the Nexus.

In my experience, DMT buildup of tolerance and die down of tolerance happens lightning fast.

It's important to take the entire inhaling dose within 30-60 seconds. After that, even more hits may not take you deeper until tolerance begins to die down. It is a waste of material.

But tolerance dies back FAST. Most folks will counsel waiting 30-60 minutes before another trip but I have found as soon as I have enough body control to take another dose it works well. Again, take that other dose within 30-60 seconds.

I have gone in then gone in again and again and each time, with similar doses (or just adding 1-2 mgs each time) have had deeper experiences. This might be due to something simple like some residue in the pipe/device from the last time has been added to the current dose, giving one an inadvertent high dose than intended. It might be something to do with the build up and die down of tolerance in our heads. I'm not 100% sure, but I do acknowledge the phenomenon.


Moving on to remembering a DMT trip. This is not easy if you don't put some work in. If one just sits back and enjoys the entire thing, it can be as difficult to recall as a dream.

What I do is within the trip (assuming I have not thermonuked my ego/I) is intentionally try to lay down some basic memories. Just little triggers that will later on allow me to access more full memories. Things like Cats in walls, butterfly women, hypercities, skulls and coffins. As each scene/scenario presents itself I try to lay down the triggers. Then as the next one occurs, I try to pull back the previous triggers and lay down another one. Big work happens once the trance breaks. I sacrifice the pleasure of this time. I work on consolidating memories and as soon as I get body control I start to speak and REPEAT out loud. As soon as I can sit up and write, I write own the trigger words and as much as I can recall in that moment.

Then I begin to integrate. And as I go through my life and consider my experience in the hours and days of the aftermath, inevitably more comes to me. I make a note of it for later if it is inconvenient. If it's convenient, I drop everything and get back to my journal.

Also in the days after, I look at my growing report at least once a day, read it over and consider, . . . . is there anything else to add.

In a way this technique is very much like the ones folks use to recall dreams. They keep a journal by their bed and as soon as they wake up they make an entry.

DMT is so powerful. In the face of that I feel all I can do is try to be a good observer and bring back as much as possible. Anything else tends not to work for me.

 

[windyshaman]

I think - I need to rephrase my original question:

When doing a few sessions a few hours apart (in a given day) - consequent ones always feel a lot stronger even on lower dosages. Almost feels like whatever is left in the body from the first session acts like a booster for anything that follows.

Is it just me or it's my - rather inaccurate - dry herbs setup? Oddly enough though - that last session I mentioned earlier, which took me the deepest yet - I actually overfilled the chamber with chamomile and was fully expecting the experience to be subpar. Looks like I might have discovered a more efficient layering technique instead...

Before anyone objects - there's one benefit to a dry herbs vaporiser - you can surf the damn thing for quite a while until all spice is gone - this makes for a much smoother and enjoyable come down.

Thank you for the input Pandora. As my honeymoon with DMT has passed - I'm getting a lot more mindful and disciplined about how, why and what I do. Will definitely give notetaking a try.

 

[Pandora]

Unless you clean your device to squeaky clean between each use all bets are off. There could be some spice hiding in there and being added to your current dose.

But having said that, brains and minds are more diverse than we are led to believe. Perhaps it really could be you.

Like the first trip opens the door and then hours later it remains cracked open when you go in again and so you go farther or deeper. This is not science but rather a kind of speculation.

 

[Ernestine]

Regarding deepening the experience with additional hits, my experience with harmalas is that it is absolutely possible and very rewarding to boost to another level with additional hits during the experience. A little bit to extend or a bigger hit to return.

 

[windyshaman]

Don't want to turn this thread into the Pulsar ProShift vaporiser review, but once you get the hang of the layering technique - any residue is non existent. At least - not from the spice itself. Pretty capable device with a very precise temperature control. Only real con I can mention - it's lacking a few degrees for changa (max temp is 221C), but you can sorta go around it by letting it sit there for longer.

 

[Icon]

Sounds cool. I'm a fan of dry vapes, I think it's the best way to hit the spice. I use a volcano. I generally get deep enough to forget I'm on DMT before the bag of vapor is half depleted. Then as soon as I remember, It's easy to take more hits and extend the glide. I wonder how long someone could keep that going lol, if I had a second person to reload the volcano it could be tested.

I usually am not in a rush to do it again though; the whole process, comedown and afterglow are part of the ritual for me I guess. It's funny how I can try to hold on to the big picture that I see, scanning every detail to reconstruct from memory later, and it still vanishes before my eyes, like trying to cup water in the hands.

I think there's a chicken or egg element to consider, too. Like, do the visuals come first and generate feelings after your acknowledgement? Or are the feelings stirred first and the vision comes second?

 

[Ernestine]

Sounds cool. I'm a fan of dry vapes, I think it's the best way to hit the spice. I use a volcano. I generally get deep enough to forget I'm on DMT before the bag of vapor is half depleted. Then as soon as I remember, It's easy to take more hits and extend the glide. I wonder how long someone could keep that going lol, if I had a second person to reload the volcano it could be tested.

I usually am not in a rush to do it again though; the whole process, comedown and afterglow are part of the ritual for me I guess. It's funny how I can try to hold on to the big picture that I see, scanning every detail to reconstruct from memory later, and it still vanishes before my eyes, like trying to cup water in the hands.

I think there's a chicken or egg element to consider, too. Like, do the visuals come first and generate feelings after your acknowledgement? Or are the feelings stirred first and the vision comes second?

I used to think another dry method, emesh, was the ultimate way to fly. Now I'm a total, proselytising convert to PG based spice juice in a refillable dual coil tank.
You know how you wish you sometimes had a second bag full @Icon ? With a dual coil tank (e.g. arbiter V2) there's essentially unlimited capacity to deliver spice laden vapour over the course of a session, from a little sip to top up, to a full lungful taking it to great depth in a single hit. I finished a few hours of travelling and still have over half a tank full, and that's with fairly dilute, 1 part spice to 5-6 parts PG. If I ever did need to top up the tank it opens with a quarter turn and drip a little more juice in. I am now convinced that juice vapor can hit as hard as dry vapour, although I wouldn't have believed that a year ago. It's also so much more titratable in terms of dose level than emesh was.
The tank cost under $10 and the battery mod box was about $20. So cheap that you could easily buy a second tank or complete setup if you did need more capacity (I had two mod box emesh setups for extending the sessions). I don't have to wonder how long it could keep going, three to four hours is easily doable and there's lots of juice capacity left. The modern tanks don't seem to leak if they fall on their side either.
I'm sure someone could make a continuous delivery dry method. Until that day, team juice for ever.

Are there some downsides to juice that make you prefer dry vaping? I suppose there's the concern of inhaling the PG aerosol into the lungs?

On the issue of remembering, i have recently been finding connecting with the emotions during and after more effective than using my rational thinking mind to try to regain the memories. It has substantially reduced my memory loss issues, although I wouldn't say I have total recall.

 

[windyshaman]

Well, as far as remembering goes - I tend to divide any breakthrough trip visuals into 3 distinctive, cascading "back to earth" stages:
1) "Synesthesia" - doesn't mater if your eyes are closed or not
2) CEV
3) OEV

I seem to only be able to retain a good deal from #3 OEV on the comedown. Most of what I see in #1 and #2 - is so astonishing - my mind has bigger issues than trying to remember any of it...

 

[Icon]

I used to think another dry method, emesh, was the ultimate way to fly. Now I'm a total, proselytising convert to PG based spice juice in a refillable dual coil tank.
You know how you wish you sometimes had a second bag full @Icon ? With a dual coil tank (e.g. arbiter V2) there's essentially unlimited capacity to deliver spice laden vapour over the course of a session, from a little sip to top up, to a full lungful taking it to great depth in a single hit. I finished a few hours of travelling and still have over half a tank full, and that's with fairly dilute, 1 part spice to 5-6 parts PG. If I ever did need to top up the tank it opens with a quarter turn and drip a little more juice in. I am now convinced that juice vapor can hit as hard as dry vapour, although I wouldn't have believed that a year ago. It's also so much more titratable in terms of dose level than emesh was.
The tank cost under $10 and the battery mod box was about $20. So cheap that you could easily buy a second tank or complete setup if you did need more capacity (I had two mod box emesh setups for extending the sessions). I don't have to wonder how long it could keep going, three to four hours is easily doable and there's lots of juice capacity left. The modern tanks don't seem to leak if they fall on their side either.
I'm sure someone could make a continuous delivery dry method. Until that day, team juice for ever.

Are there some downsides to juice that make you prefer dry vaping? I suppose there's the concern of inhaling the PG aerosol into the lungs?

On the issue of remembering, i have recently been finding connecting with the emotions during and after more effective than using my rational thinking mind to try to regain the memories. It has substantially reduced my memory loss issues, although I wouldn't say I have total recall.

I've had my volcano for over 10 years, so I've just never had to think about putting stuff in juice. Sounds like a great method when it's done right, and not so great when not. Seems like there's so many variations in recipe and hardware, I just haven't taken the time to explore it.

And yea I would really prefer to limit what I'm inhaling to just the active molecule. Everyone seems to vape PG without a second thought, but I've heard it's not healthy. I wouldn't mind doing it that way once in a while, for the sake of portable convenience on a hike or something. But idk about 4 hour sip sessions. In the past I've just used pharmahuasca for multi-hour sessions.

Excepting pharmahuasca, I've never been a sub-breakthrough kind of person though; if I vape I'm trying to launch as high as possible. For that, I think dry vapes beat juice atomizers. Just can't beat the density of pure DMT vapor. There's an exponential correlation between aerosol density and increased deposition of condensed vapor droplets. A lung full of 30mg should absorb more than three lung fulls of 10mg each.

 

[windyshaman]

A week later - and a very similar experience yet again. And b.t.w. - I'm keeping my DMT practice to 1/week or 1/per 2 weeks, never more. Non negotiable.

So first session very early today, around 7:00: went pretty briskly, it sorta chewed and spilled me out right into the OEV - stage which faded out with nothing to remember.

Second session at 12:00, same exact dose, same preparation, same inhale protocol. I'm still speechless... Never felt so happy and blissful during and after a spice trip.
Threw me into the hyperspace which was the usual - pretty gibberish, got to the stage where I consciously opened my eyes only to fall into an absolutely beautiful, indescribable OEV trip (consciously supported by a few more hits from the vaporiser)... Afterglow to die for without regrets. Experienced one of these rare here and now moments where you feel the universe breath...

Came out not wishing for anything more. Done. Got what I came for. Until next time in a week or two...

Really feels like that first session almost acts as a primer or as booster rocket - to take you "there" the next time.

How the hell one is supposed to look at what's surrounding us after seeing this....???