Breaking through the breakthrough with extreme doses

[Master Bassface]

This is my first post. I am experienced with many extracts from many different chemists. I have spent a year on beautiful white fluff LSD. I have explored many beliefs. I have broken through many times into the chrysanthemum multiple-torus hive, Alex Grey times a billion. I've never gone through that tunnel until now.

Yesterday I smoked a gram in one sitting, I did almost the same the day before. I have never been to the point wherethe closed eye visual world all of a sudden has an instant shift outwards into this reality and the two combine. This was literally fourth dimensional. 3D is flat. This was infinite. Matter stretched out forever like a holographic pyramid. It bent and floated and breathed. Closed eye visuals became open eye visuals. Normally you see the other world with your eyes closed and you can imagine being in there, but I went through a DNA black ole or something that bright that world here.

There is more to this story, I will leave it at that for now because I want to know who else has experienced this. Later I'll talk more about the DNA Codon Entities that we meet while in the DMT land. After much contact and frequency experimentation. One of the little entities (they look like Doers from Fraggle Rock) took me through my body and accumulated cancerous cells, then crystallized them and wriggles them out of my body. I spit out this toxic slime that is still corroding the envelope I used to collect it.

Lately in my trips I could only see the one little blue Doer to my right. The Egyptian goddess Nut was hanging over the left but she was dark and did not want me there. The blue guy on the right was distracting me. With deep emotional moral struggles I eventually got the last chunk of cancer out of me and I knew I won. That was the moment that everything was sucked out of me and joined with the physical world. This is the fourth dimension and I believe the 64 codons of our DNA are represented by Ancient egyptian 'gods'. When the Egyptians still had or had contact with humans whose pineal glands were still producing DMT regularly, they had constant contact with the codon entities and their religion was based off each god corresponding to an individual codon. As DMT started fading out of humans, we lost contact with the codons and started believing that these gods existed outside of us.
They are inside us! And it's been thousands of years for us to discover how to get back there. They are excited and have lots to offer, they will change our DNA to activate higher human potential and allow our bodies to shift into the next dimension.

Delete me or argue with me if you want. The reason I'm posting this is because Toppy posted a thread claiming that what he saw on DMT was actually DNA. It is DNA and everything that exists as well. It's a shame that anyone who claims to have dine DMT would argue or slander someone's discoveries. Toppy is a highly psychic individual who has discovered more than your words and numbers could ever achieve. Anyone who arges with another DMT user is someone who has notgone far enough on it, because of their own fears and ego problems. Realhumans who have had the knowledge given to them will not argue with someone who has discovered something. There is too many people on this site who should be deleted.

I will continue to bring back information. Since my shift, there is a new Doer underneath Nut on the left, he or she is shy but definiy making an appearance. Black with a yellow hard hat. I can now hear them talking to each other in a harpsichord-like language which is very similar to the music I create for them, trying to communicate with frequency, and they are communicating back in very audible chirps. I will go in later to see what this new codon is all about.

All in all, I've never felt this healthy before. I feel defy form of illness and cancer has been removed from my body, I can breather full breathes without weezing, I have energy and my muscles have hardened, I feel limber and hydrated, I feel communicative. I feel literally like a new codon was turned on. And I think this is the evolution of mankind.

Who's done enough at a time to know what I'm talking about. Don't tryto say ou know unless you've done a gram at a time. This is farther and more intense than any ayahuasca trip I've read about. It only ever gets to the white sphere at the end of the tunnel, then we go back to our bodies. But this I went through the light and came out in the fourth dimension.

FYI the shift happened about 5 minutes after my last toke and it was instant. It took about an hour until the world was not a convex concave mirror fun house vibration of infinite fractals.

 

[seeohhdee]

Forgive my seeming naivety, but I'm always intrigued by the extreme.

A gram of what? I get that you are not talking about long, drawn out trips, and you dont mention changa... how on earth did you smoke a gram at once?

I'm in no way arguing with you; I am the type who always wants to go further too... but I think I would benefit from a little more information.

Can you tell me more about the actual practicality of your experience?

Thanks.

 

[ewok]

A gram of dmt? Over how long?

 

[BecometheOther]

Good work my friend. No ive never smoked a gram in one sitting.

But the reason i say great work is because, it seems like you developed some very interesting theories, i particularaly like your theory of gods corresponding to dna in the human body, and that the gods are in us. I do believe we have the creative power of gods, we just havent unlocked that full potential within ourselves. Anyways love to see theories like yours, call although many will say your crazy and have just smoked to much dmt, Terence Mckenna had some pretty out there ideas too, and i think it is these radical ideas that may not be the whole truth, but at least shake up flatlander, already have it all figured out belief systems.

Cheers bro, i hope you crack the code.

 

[emptymind]

How did you smoke a gram in one sitting? If you were doing 50mg doses at a time, thats 20 50mg doses in a row. Most people who smoke 50mgs correctly (are able to actually get it all and hold it in) come back trembling, shaken to their very core and in absolute awe of what they just experienced, with a new respect for DMT. Not saying I dont believe you, but I cant imagine anyone doing 20 of those doses back to back especially if they weren't very experienced with dmt already.

 

[tetra]

Yes, indeed, how do you properly vaporize a gram in one session? I could see it with changa as it's easy to pack monster bowls and rip it, but with plain freebase, that would be a challenge for me.

Do you still have access to that good acid? Try mixing the two and you won't need a gram.

 

[gibran2]

Your experience seems “typical” for a 25-30mg dose. It’s very wasteful to use 1000mg to achieve what can be easily achieved with 30mg.

Spend some time on technique and you’ll see that you can go as far as you’ve gone and much, much further on considerably less.

 

[deeplake]

That's exactly why I'm taking a break I think You and I developed a tolerance to it. If you can't majorly breakthrough on say 50 mgs. theirs a problem. To me anything more than that is overkill. IMO you can only get to a certain point with DMT and LSD. I'm kinda new with dmt, but could never trip any harder than you do off about 600-700 mcgs. of LSD. Believe me I've tried. The longer you wait the better the trip too. Hoping the same goes for DMT also.
And sorry, I have to agree with the rest... How, and why would you smoke a gram in one sitting?

 

[universecannon]

"Who's done enough at a time to know what I'm talking about. Don't tryto say ou know unless you've done a gram at a time. This is farther and more intense than any ayahuasca trip I've read about. It only ever gets to the white sphere at the end of the tunnel, then we go back to our bodies. But this I went through the light and came out in the fourth dimension"


your wasting a TON of DMT if you're serious about this. Or were you smoking consecutive breakthroughs? or what? Your experience sounds more like a typical 30mg breakthrough to me. Especially since you said "Closed eye visuals became open eye visuals."..this is very typical of a solid breakthrough experience- a gram isn't necessary for this to happen...and honestly claiming "Don't tryto say ou know unless you've done a gram at a time." just sounds extremely arrogant and ridiculous IMO..regardless of the experience had.

btw ayahuasca can take you to the same places, and perhaps beyond. a tunnel with a white sphere is by no means the end of the road

"Delete me or argue with me if you want. The reason I'm posting this is because Toppy posted a thread claiming that what he saw on DMT was actually DNA. It is DNA and everything that exists as well. It's a shame that anyone who claims to have dine DMT would argue or slander someone's discoveries. Toppy is a highly psychic individual who has discovered more than your words and numbers could ever achieve. Anyone who arges with another DMT user is someone who has notgone far enough on it, because of their own fears and ego problems. Realhumans who have had the knowledge given to them will not argue with someone who has discovered something. There is too many people on this site who should be deleted."

You say people who argue with other dmt users haven't gone far enough..then in the next breath you say there is people on this site who should be DELETED because you don't agree with them? Do you see the irony in here? You really think that those who question aspects of anothers (interpretation of their) experience should be outright BANNED? Isn't this a little extreme? I agree it can be frustrating dealing with materialists who nitpick about the impossibilities of an experience ect. ect...i'm not arguing what happened to you or slandering your 'discoveries'..I think people should be respectful of others views.. but that healthy debating about certain aspects or ones approach/interpretation/presentation is sometimes necessary if we are to collectively grow in our understanding


I don't mean all this as an attack on you and i don't doubt you have experienced some weird things..I have myself as have many here. I guess my main beef with all this revolves around this: If dmt has taught me anything its to never be so sure about the conclusions one comes to regarding the nature of what was just experienced, and about things in general. Just be open and humble about it. Having an open mind is key but beliefs can be extremely limiting. Which is why i don't really dig the whole "THIS is what is going on with DMT. Don't disagree unless you smoked a gram" attitude..

That's exactly why I'm taking a break I think You and I developed a tolerance to it. If you can't majorly breakthrough on say 50 mgs. theirs a problem. To me anything more than that is overkill. IMO you can only get to a certain point with DMT and LSD. I'm kinda new with dmt, but could never trip any harder than you do off about 600-700 mcgs. of LSD. Believe me I've tried. The longer you wait the better the trip too. Hoping the same goes for DMT also.
And sorry, I have to agree with the rest... How, and why would you smoke a gram in one sitting?

This has been debated endlessly- there isn't any tolerance with DMT. Strassmans study went into this, or just ask anyone whose broken through many times in a row, back to back, with no issues. IME its actually more like reverse tolerance..

 

[Bill Cipher]

Where to begin....?

On, second thought, rather than waste my time and energy in picking a fight and mocking you, I think I'll just shut down your account until Traveler can decide whether or not he wants the headache of dealing with your bullcrap.

There is too many people on this site who should be deleted.

And now there's one less!

 

[Coastal_Shaman]

I've went through a gram one night a couple weeks ago. This was not in one go though, it involved snorting 40mg then vaping between 40-60mg right after the snort. Repeated this 5 times and before I knew it my 1 gram vile was empty and needed refilling from the jar.. It was an epic night but I went even further with a 10-15gram mushroom trip last week. I would hate to find out what a 1000mg dose feels like. I think that would be getting close to the LD50 death rate in one dose..

*** Disclaimer ***
I do not condone wreckless behavior, mega doses can be both dangerous and irresponsible. The doses I have mentioned above in this post were taken out over a period of time on each occasion. I do not reccomend consuming large or mega doses of spice or mushrooms in short periods of time.

 

[Sky Motion]

Hmm..I don't think you belong here.

Congrats on your first breakthrough and the one gram SOMEHOW needed to achieve that.

 

[wolf8312]

Where to begin....?

On, second thought, rather than waste my time and energy in picking a fight and mocking you, I think I'll just shut down your account until Traveler can decide whether or not he wants the headache of dealing with your bullcrap.

There is too many people on this site who should be deleted.

And now there's one less!

Whoa…Isn’t that a bit extreme? Thought this was a friendly place until I read this post last night hell again - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus ! I didn’t agree with the guy myself on many things he was saying, but he was just ganged up on and ridiculed, told to ‘go away’ and basically in a nutshell called a pussy.

Whenever I see a guy talking about the potential and genuine horrors of DMT, the response from some always seems to be along the macho lines of- ‘DMT is not for you’. The implication being that it is for the accuser, that he’s all strong and powerful (able to handle it) and the other guy is a wuss (not able to handle it). It rather seems like an extension of the school yard, a tribal hierarchy or pissing contest, with leaders and their sycophants mercilessly doing away with all those who fail to conform.

I thought it was maybe a one off but logged on this morning and found this post contiuning in the same vein. Was really the only way to handle this guy, either to ‘mock’ him or shut down his account? Maybe some of what he said was silly, and even irresponsible, but does ridiculing him and closing him down not contradict the basic attitude that-

• We respect each other and support each other, because we know that anyone willing to make these journeys automatically deserves respect and support.
• We mostly avoid the petty types of forum fights and cliques seen on many forums because our topic is anything but petty.
• We understand that members have a variety of experiences and opinions because the universe is infinite—and no one can really carve a piece off for himself and declare it the “only truth.”
• Most of us are generous in giving love and support because we know how much love and support we need ourselves.

Anyway got a feeling I could go the same way as him here:? and whilst it’s not my intention to martyr myself after like 7 posts, I did feel compelled to speak out as I found it all rather astonishing. Please try to remember this is not coming from a negative place here I'm merely expressing an opinion. Maybe I'm out of line, I don’t have the full history and whether these guys are persistent trouble makers or something, but as far as I could make out they merely were expressing ideas that diverted from the flow of the mainsteam. Anyway take it easy...

Wolf

 

[InneffableThings]

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Went through a DNA black hole there you go in the first clip.


Love and Humility

 

[Entropymancer]

Wolf8312, I understand your concerns. And yes, Uncle Knucles can come off brusque and acerbic... usually in an endearing way, though occasionally it does contribute to tension on the forum.

But with this thread, I think it's worth calling attention to one of the tenets of our forum's Attitude that you quoted:

We understand that members have a variety of experiences and opinions because the universe is infinite — and no one can really carve a piece off for himself and declare it the “only truth.”

The entire tone of the original post runs counter to this basic tenet. He was basically claiming his own opinion as absolute truth, and further declared that no one was allowed to challenge him on it unless they smoked a whole gram of spice at once.

That's not a productive way to generate discussion. And it's also not safe to encourage people to take doses that are an orders of magnitude past the amnesia threshold for almost any human nervous system. To my mind, the only options for the thread were for a moderator to add some admonitory remarks on safety and attitude and lock the thread, or simply remove it.

 

[universecannon]

"Thought this was a friendly place until I read this post last night https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=23788 ! I didn’t agree with the guy myself on many things he was saying but he was just ganged up on and ridiculed, told to ‘go away’ and basically in a nutshell called a pussy.

Whenever I see a guy talking about the potential and genuine horrors of DMT, the response from some always seems to be along the macho lines of- ‘DMT is not for you’."

Did you read the whole thread? There was a ton of great replies in there. It was mostly when skinwalker brought in the whole dogmatic, fear mongering, "its evil" attitude and got overly defensive and rude that people started to react. He's said all the same stuff in other places to

 

[wolf8312]

The entire tone of the original post in that thread ran counter to this basic tenet. He was basically claiming his own opinion as absolute truth, and further declared that no one was allowed to challenge him on it unless they smoked a whole gram of spice at once.

That's not a productive way to generate discussion. And it's also not safe to encourage people to take doses that are an orders of magnitude past the amnesia threshold for almost any human nervous system. To my mind, the only options for that thread were for a moderator to add some admonitory remarks on safety and attitude and lock the thread, or simply remove it.

Ah thanks Entropymancer (had to spell that carefully!) I was when I read it also of the mind that a lot of what the OP was full of bravado and rather silly claims, though some of his post was pretty interesting.

All though I thought him to be irresponsible myself I wasn’t all that certain if irresponsibility was his central mistake in posting. It might have something to do with the perhaps erroneous perception I have (had) that many people here at the nexus, due to the fact they are smokers (and I am not) do tend to push things to the outer limits anyway, and so I didn’t really grasp that the moderators would take too much exception to that particular aspect of things! I guess I’m learning…

Anyway I didn’t want to get into an argument with anyone over anything and am relieved it didn’t descend into that. I realize I am new here and could if not careful make misinformed blunders lacking understanding of the bigger picture. Anyway thanks buddy…

Wolf

 

[wolf8312]

"Thought this was a friendly place until I read this post last night https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=23788 ! I didn’t agree with the guy myself on many things he was saying but he was just ganged up on and ridiculed, told to ‘go away’ and basically in a nutshell called a pussy.

Whenever I see a guy talking about the potential and genuine horrors of DMT, the response from some always seems to be along the macho lines of- ‘DMT is not for you’."

Did you read the whole thread? There was a ton of great replies in there. It was mostly when skinwalker brought in the whole dogmatic, fear mongering, "its evil" attitude and got overly defensive and rude that people started to react. He's said all the same stuff in other places to

Oh yeah don’t get me wrong I wasn’t writing in support of the authors ideas, simply was saying sometimes it can get more aggressive than necessary.

wolf

 

[The Traveler]

I brought this topic back to have it discussed in the forum.

However, before anyone makes a new reply to this thread think about these things:

* Read the Attitude page:

• We respect each other and support each other, because we know that anyone willing to make these journeys automatically deserves respect and support.
• We mostly avoid the petty types of forum fights and cliques seen on many forums because our topic is anything but petty.
• We understand that members have a variety of experiences and opinions because the universe is infinite—and no one can really carve a piece off for himself and declare it the “only truth.”
• Most of us are generous in giving love and support because we know how much love and support we need ourselves.
  
• Being aggressive or contentious won’t do anything for you here. You’ll quickly find that people won’t respond to you if they feel your intentions are aggressive or petty.
  
• Diversity, constructive criticism and differing opinions are welcome. Nobody has to acritically agree with everything in this community. Nevertheless, we do not want a confrontational attitude, members that are constantly antagonistic to the general atmosphere. If one is not happy with the forum and the way things are run, feel free to leave.
  
• If you state something as your opinion then please support that opinion with good reasoning. If you cannot do that then don't state your opinion at all since it's useless for others. This is not Facebook with like/dislike.
  
• The DMT-Nexus is no place for preaching, and imposing an idea on others. Respect to different world views is imperative! If you have an opinion about something, respectfully state it, but please do not talk in absolutes about Right and Wrong or disrespectfully disregard other world views.

Furthermore I like to put some attention to the fact that no entheogen use is appropriate for use in a pissing contest. Taking huge doses mostly means that you do not know how to properly handle the entheogen yet, I'm thinking here about dosing technique, set and setting, etc.

And although I can understand why many people feel some grudge against the original poster due to his 'absolute truth' tone, I think we should not lower ourselves to that same standard: When we are taking an aggressive approach to the original poster, he will not be inclined to learn anything from us even go into a healthy debate with us. After all, it can very well be that his dosing technique is off or maybe his scale is broke, who knows? And his absolute truth? As most of us know, that can be gone the next time he takes a massive dose of DMT.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[naepius]

Thanks Traveler

This topic has a keen association to some observations I've been working through as a result of my own breakthrough journeys. Put shortly, I've been thinking a great deal about the causality of that which we see and hear while in hyperspace. Each of my breakthroughs has come with a wealth of auditory and abstract experiences, but I have yet to see any type of entity in any shape or form whatsoever. I have certainly felt what seems to be a presence of something else, and although it's an entertaining thought to interpret these entities as deciding to not show themselves to me - I have a rather different interpretation.

I have been firm in my beliefs for well over a decade now. I will not describe them in great detail, suffice it to say I am not naive to the fact that many would find how I regard DMT as blasphemous. I have a great respect for other cultures and belief systems and do take every opportunity that comes my way to learn more of them. Most of my studies, however, are generally on a purely textual level. I don't delve much into the study of cultural art - especially so with visual depictions of deities and the spirit world.

The questions I ponder over are such:
*Is my lack of belief in the existence of gods, spirits, etc the reason why I do not see entities in breakthroughs? Are they actually there, and is it simply my mind not accepting their existence? Are they actually not there, and is others' beliefs in such things the causality for them seeing the entities?

-The percentage of the world population that believes in a god, gods, or creator of some form is a readily found statistic. Would the percentage of DMT users that never see entities in their journeys correlate to an atheist make-up of the population? I cannot help but foster the opinion that what we see in hyperspace is more often than not a reflection of our own memories and experiences there to help us to be further convicted in our beliefs through the penultimate challenge to them. It is one thing for another to posit a challenge to one's beliefs - for one to intrapersonally pick at one's own spiritual core is quite different and altogether a much more profound test. The right path for one to take in life is greatly defined by what one believes in. As our beliefs change, so does the path we take in life. That path is made more clear by DMT for a majority of individuals, which makes a lot of sense when interpreted as having the action of belief conviction.

*Would one who is ignorant of the concept of the 'godhead' ever come face to face with it? I am rather convinced one would not.

It's a shame that anyone who claims to have dine DMT would argue or slander someone's discoveries.

I can't help but turn this question back pertaining to my own discoveries. What each person has to discover about him/herself through psychedelics is intrinsically unique and thus not all discoveries will exist with an element of synergy. Imagine how utterly boring the world would be if everyone felt and believed the same - innovation and diversification would come to a grinding halt. The commonalities we experience are testament to the thread of humanity that we are all tied to. My fear is that by placing faith in anything but ourselves, one may subconsciously be shirking the responsibilities one ought to foster towards each other and this place in the universe we call home. It is troubling, as a witness to the many ills we face throughout the world today, to accept that we are ultimately in complete control of our own destinies - but this much I truly do believe.