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Bryan Johnson reversing aging
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Mitakuye Oyasin
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Isn't this the guy that routinely injects his sons blood into himself to look young? Modern day vampires are just as evil as the ancient variety. No thanks. I earned every wrinkle on my face and every gray hair and I'm keeping them. Actually I'm adding more each year...
Many well known anti-aging chemicals come with a price. And not just financially. There are definately some supplements that seem to be safe. But many of them are not well-tested, and some are even known to increase the risk of cancer.
I also think there is not much known yet about stacking a lot of anti-aging supplements, but i'm guessing that combining a lot of carcinogens may increase the risk even more.
Here are some anti-aging agents that are known to increase the risk of cancer:
Nicotinamide mononucleotide, nicotinamide-adenine dinucleotide, acetylcysteine, glutathione, folic acid, sialic acid, high doses of vitamine A, high doses of vitamine e in the form of alpha-tocopherol, pregnenolone, DHEA, chrondoitin, supplemented copper, supplemented selenium...
And things like sarms or vitamine b12 injections are likely to increase the risk of cancer, but just haven't been tested enough yet.
I also think there is not much known yet about stacking a lot of anti-aging supplements, but i'm guessing that combining a lot of carcinogens may increase the risk even more.
Here are some anti-aging agents that are known to increase the risk of cancer:
Nicotinamide mononucleotide, nicotinamide-adenine dinucleotide, acetylcysteine, glutathione, folic acid, sialic acid, high doses of vitamine A, high doses of vitamine e in the form of alpha-tocopherol, pregnenolone, DHEA, chrondoitin, supplemented copper, supplemented selenium...
And things like sarms or vitamine b12 injections are likely to increase the risk of cancer, but just haven't been tested enough yet.
fink
overthinking the unthinkable
Mitakuye Oyasin said:
I completely agree, that is some of what I mentioned as worrying.
Dragonrider, No doubt about the chemicals. Although this guy is slightly more interesting because he spent a vast fortune on research into the exact requirements of every part of the human body. His main line message is about getting regular and regimented sleep as well as denying the brain the decisions about what the body needs. He claims instead to allow each organ to dictate what the body needs and only ingest that.
I'm sure he also uses other products and the blood thing that Mitakuye mentioned is troublesome. His life would be appalling for me.
But there is more than meets the eye here, a bit of time listening to his words is interesting. The mindset on biology and human life is certainly very rare.
It seems the best "anti-aging" strategy would be more preventative measures rather than retroactive ones, ie, regular and proper exercise, diet, supplementation, and water intake. As well as proper rest, stress management, and mental health adjustments.
I personally also adopt some of the McKenna observation, and mainly eat the same things regularly, doing my best to make sure that it's balanced.
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I personally also adopt some of the McKenna observation, and mainly eat the same things regularly, doing my best to make sure that it's balanced.
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On one hand im kinda loving what the guy does because we need more frontiers to understand how human health and longevity works...
His focus is truly a mix of chemicals, as he eats 100 supplements, but most of them are low dose vitamins minderals or quite safe substances, because he is constantly on a 20% calorie deficit diet so he will require additional supplementation...
On another hand, 2 million a year. You spend that to get a 45 year old persons 35 year old heart age one biological year in 2 chronological years? You could probably spend that money, to make thousands of people younger like helping addiction and such.... It's early in the morning but am hoping yall get the meaning here... It's money well spent in some ways, but definitely could help slow down aging on a bigger scale for more people.
As in all things I have tried to learn as much as possible from the situation and have gained a great greaaat respect for sleep through following this guy.
He does a lot of things, and occasionally compromises some. Skipping some workout for a day? Maybe change the diet becuse of something? But he never, ever negotiates with sleep.
Goes to show how important high quality sleep is for us, and I've been not paying enough attention to that, so made some changes for the better
Cheers
His focus is truly a mix of chemicals, as he eats 100 supplements, but most of them are low dose vitamins minderals or quite safe substances, because he is constantly on a 20% calorie deficit diet so he will require additional supplementation...
On another hand, 2 million a year. You spend that to get a 45 year old persons 35 year old heart age one biological year in 2 chronological years? You could probably spend that money, to make thousands of people younger like helping addiction and such.... It's early in the morning but am hoping yall get the meaning here... It's money well spent in some ways, but definitely could help slow down aging on a bigger scale for more people.
As in all things I have tried to learn as much as possible from the situation and have gained a great greaaat respect for sleep through following this guy.
He does a lot of things, and occasionally compromises some. Skipping some workout for a day? Maybe change the diet becuse of something? But he never, ever negotiates with sleep.
Goes to show how important high quality sleep is for us, and I've been not paying enough attention to that, so made some changes for the better
Cheers
While being devoted to an ideal is appreciable, the case seems as an unhealthy obsession and putting too much faith in AI. AI is supposed to be an embodied form of the latest data science and rationality and rational people are expected to give up their own agency to it (Bryan Johnson repeatedly says he gave up his own mind and surrendered himself to AI which "can take much better care of his health than he can" ). But just one rational step ahead of that stance is that reality is much more complex than AI can accurately model and only measuring a certain selection of individual markers is not the way to measure ultimate health or well being. Classic ideology of reductionism and treating the individual as an isolated, insulated biological machine. Still, kudos to him for his discipline. A better inspiration for health and longevity for me is Wim Hof.
I have my own formula for health, well being and longevity:
Proper nutrition with mostly wild harvested powerfoods such as nettle, and also a lot of sprouts
Daily Intermittent fasting and regular 24 or 48 hour fasts
Proper sleep not just in quantity but also in synch with the natural rythms of the earth and the body.
Regular barefoot grounding
Regular Breathwork
Regular cold water exposure
Regular exercise
Regular meditation and prayer
Regular communal sacred plant medicine ceremonies
Being embedded in a long term communal social sphere
Good relations with all people, plants, animals
Being rooted in a certain land
Daily immersion in natural world
Having a lifelong partner
Regular loving sex as a conscious sacred ritual
Last but not least, this is an ideal not to be followed without flexibility: Allowing life.
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Quite an ideal. Perhaps not even half of it is totally feasible for anybody... This pursuit nowadays labelled as "anti aging" is an elite endeavor after all. At least it's a list of a lot of key factors to be aware of.
I have my own formula for health, well being and longevity:
Proper nutrition with mostly wild harvested powerfoods such as nettle, and also a lot of sprouts
Daily Intermittent fasting and regular 24 or 48 hour fasts
Proper sleep not just in quantity but also in synch with the natural rythms of the earth and the body.
Regular barefoot grounding
Regular Breathwork
Regular cold water exposure
Regular exercise
Regular meditation and prayer
Regular communal sacred plant medicine ceremonies
Being embedded in a long term communal social sphere
Good relations with all people, plants, animals
Being rooted in a certain land
Daily immersion in natural world
Having a lifelong partner
Regular loving sex as a conscious sacred ritual
Last but not least, this is an ideal not to be followed without flexibility: Allowing life.
...
Quite an ideal. Perhaps not even half of it is totally feasible for anybody... This pursuit nowadays labelled as "anti aging" is an elite endeavor after all. At least it's a list of a lot of key factors to be aware of.
fink
overthinking the unthinkable
So we all pretty much agree on the easiest one, getting good sleep. I've always had a confrontational relationship with sleep for some reason. I will try to put some work into that list dithy.
The guy Bryan looks like an elf from lord of the rings. I wouldn't enjoy looking like that. Rugged is a characteristic I embrace gratefully!
The guy Bryan looks like an elf from lord of the rings. I wouldn't enjoy looking like that. Rugged is a characteristic I embrace gratefully!
And the elixir of life is water :lol: lots and lots of it.
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Yes, but not the sexy ones, like legolas or tauriel.fink said:
Palmer Eldritch
Rising Star
Would love to see a randomized controlled study with a large sample size showing replicate results across a generalizable population.
But I'm guessing this guy isn't willing to spend that kind of money to prove this works. Just another narcissist focused on improving his own life while pretending his "data" benefit society.
But I'm guessing this guy isn't willing to spend that kind of money to prove this works. Just another narcissist focused on improving his own life while pretending his "data" benefit society.