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Butane lighter vs standard Bic lighter

Well, that was never the idea in the first place. In fact, immediately following the section you quoted, I did include a rant about NOT leaning directly over the boiling oil right after that quote to ensure that nobody else read my post and decided to try that. Attention is rightfully being paid to safety first.

Not that the critique isn't appreciated, because everyone needs reminders to be safe and to think carefully about stuff like this. But it's not like this was just a sudden whim of "Hey, I came up with an idea, let's go do it right now! What? We don't have safety equipment? Screw that, I want to try this out immediately! Heat up some oil until it's really really hot, and put the DMT in a bulb, stick it in the oil, and we're going to breathe in! Let's go now!" For the record, let there be no minced words: I explicitly discourage that attitude and any that resemble it when dealing with entheogens, or for that matter, hot oil.

Anyway, using a lighter of any type while entering hyperspace leaves much which could possibly go wrong. That's why sitters are so helpful.
 
amor_fati said:
Trickster said:
After many experiments with candles, torches and lighters here is SWIM's ideal heat source.

It is a butane heat gun. It does not produce flame, just very hot air. No more burnt spice or soot.
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That worked well for SWIM with bufo and for melting spice into the machine, but it never seemed to work well for actually vaping spice.
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And for what reason?
 
Samadhi-Sukha-Upekkha said:
Drat. That would have been a convenient method of vaporization and an explanation for where some spice lost in a recrystallization went. Oh well.

I hope this isn't derailing the thread, but my friend and his friend Demetrius came up with the idea to use the "lightbulb method" but instead of using a flame, to immerse the bulb in a pot of oil, then heat the oil on the stove up to the vaporization temperature of DMT. (I don't know how he plans to inhale it. A large straw with one end held up to the open end of the lightbulb? Certainly he isn't going to hold his face over the hot oil and inhale, risking a bead of sweat or a drop of saliva dropping into hot oil and suddenly boiling, splattering him with hot oil and causing 2nd or 3rd degree burns!)

This method shouldn't degrade any DMT, and even if it doesn't turn out to be a very efficient delivery method, the use of a thermometer in the oil should provide an accurate estimate of the boiling point of DMT.

He and Demetrius are supposed to try the vaporization during the summer. I'll tell them to use a thermometer and report the temperature range where vaporization starts, because that could be really useful!
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Swim once tried something more simple with mixed results. Swim placed 30mg(didnt want to waste much for experiment) in a clean breaker then covered the top with a balloon. Then swim heated the bottom of the breaker until the smoke began to rise and fill the breaker. Then swim carefully popped off the balloon, inhaled it and the stuck a straw in the breaker to suck up the remainder. Swim unfortunately did not wait long enough as more smoke continued to rise, but in theory this method would allow for vaporization of the entire sample and then ingestion in one or two large inhales.
 
Trickster said:
After many experiments with candles, torches and lighters here is SWIM's ideal heat source.

It is a butane heat gun. It does not produce flame, just very hot air. No more burnt spice or soot.
Click to expand...

That looks interesting! how do you use it, is there like a optimum setting on the heat gun itself?

Cheers,
V
 
Trickster said:
amor_fati said:
Trickster said:
After many experiments with candles, torches and lighters here is SWIM's ideal heat source.

It is a butane heat gun. It does not produce flame, just very hot air. No more burnt spice or soot.
Click to expand...

That worked well for SWIM with bufo and for melting spice into the machine, but it never seemed to work well for actually vaping spice.
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And for what reason?
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SWIM's not certain as to why, but he recalls that it had a strange taste or took an excessive amount of time if he did it differently. He used it with a machine bubbler bowl and with an early version of a bubbler stem (which worked well with bufo). In any case, burning hasn't been a problem for him with lighters and torches, so the heat gun simply wasn't worth the hassle.
 
SWIM uses a bic, I personally like the torch.

what SWIM tells me is that he gets great hits off his VG with a bic, but a torch lighter is just too quick, and melts everything so fast. He has however used a torch on several occasions where spice and d'arco met in a bowl together.

I like the torch because of how fast it gets the VG heated, it only takes 1-2 seconds for me to feel the plasticky, wonderful spice smoke jump down my throat.

I guess it just depends on what SWIM and I have cloests at hand.. I tend to have lighters strewn about the home everywhere, whether they are super-uber-awesome torches, or neat-little-baby bics, or grill lighters.
 
Vularin said:
Trickster said:
After many experiments with candles, torches and lighters here is SWIM's ideal heat source.

It is a butane heat gun. It does not produce flame, just very hot air. No more burnt spice or soot.
Click to expand...

That looks interesting! how do you use it, is there like a optimum setting on the heat gun itself?
V
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This particular device is very versatile. It has several nozzles and can operate as a torch, a heat gun and a soldering iron. You can smoothly regulate its heat output. When it is set up as shown on the picture only hot air escapes from the nozzle. The device works as long as the ignition button is pressed, so there is no danger of losing consciousness and have it running. If you want to run it for a long time there is a latch.

So far SWIM used this heat gun with changa. She smokes it from a small dry bong. She switches the heat gun on and lowers the nozzle to about one inch or less from the herbs. The margin of error is much wider than with a torch so there is no danger of igniting the mix.

Obviously the best device is the one you are most familiar with. This one is just happened to give SWIM the best results. It's a bit pricey. Cost her more than $100.
 
my favorite method of lighting is a magnifying glass and the sun. You can adjust the size of the light so you can either slowly heat up the whole bowl, or quickly heat up little parts. Once you perfect your technique you can get it to start smoking instantly. Or you can slowly vape the entire bowl if you are using a bong, it takes a little while for it to heat up enough, but once you get it you can burn an entire bowl pack in one bong rip.

I have coke bottles for glasses and they come in handy when I forget a lighter.
 
Trickster said:
After many experiments with candles, torches and lighters here is SWIM's ideal heat source.

It is a butane heat gun. It does not produce flame, just very hot air. No more burnt spice or soot.
Click to expand...


Does anyone know where get one of these flameless heat guns?:?:
 
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