caapi alcohol extraction

[acapuchinu]

Recently I made 10x caapi using the boil method and wasn't so satisfied. Doesn't burn well at all and tastes pretty bad and harsh.

I was wondering if I can soak 10g of caapi leaf in 96% grain alcohol for a while and then evap it onto 1g dry caapi. I think it would be better and much less resinous.

 

[InLaKesh]

Yes, of course you can!
Its the "traditional" method.
I guess most 10x Caapi Changa is made this way , at least 2 Years ago.

 

[acapuchinu]

Awesome! How long would I need to soak it? 2 weeks?

 

[Purges]

Why not just extract freebase Harmalas? It's easy, fun and yields a clean product that is nice to smoke.

 

[acapuchinu]

I definitely will when I have time, currently I don't have much time at my dispense though.

So if I can just soak something and leave it, it makes much more sense for me currently.

I'm only home on weekends every other weekend currently so leaving it 2 weeks works perfectly.

So is it 2 weeks that I need to leave it in the alcohol? Haha

 

[InLaKesh]

So is it 2 weeks that I need to leave it in the alcohol? Haha

Yes, 2 weeks are enough.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach.

 

[Bdevall158]

My personal way of doing it was to make the blend on a full moon, and wait a full moon cycle to evap. I also use 20 grams to 1 gram for a theoretical 20x blend. My last batch however I missed the full moon and decided just to wait until the second, so two months on one blend. Needless to say it works, and not to terribly harsh.

 

[acapuchinu]

Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach.

That seems like some nice info! Thanks.

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[InLaKesh]

Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach.

Yes,indeed.Nice info.
Thank you !
I last batch was done with 99,9 etoh ...
It was also good , but next time i will save me some alcohol for a better quality

 

[inthebeginning]

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I had some questions. I'm trying to see if I can do a caapi extract to administer sublingually before vaping DMT. Would a 60% alcohol extract work well for that?

Or, if harmalas are poorly soluble in alcohol, why even bother with the alcohol? Couldn't I just steep caapi in distilled water for a few weeks, kind of like a cold brew coffee?

Or would it just be better to do a harmala extraction and make a tincture?

Let me know! Thanks

 

[downwardsfromzero]

The alcohol acts as a preservative, so it has that clear advantage over distilled water where a prolonged soak would very possibly go mouldy or otherwise putrid. The suggestion of 60% alcohol is to compensate for the poor solubility of the alkaloids in ethanol. The extra water helps to keep them in solution.

Ideally you want an alcoholic solution with a higher percentage of water, as harmalas are poorly soluble in IPA or etoh and quite soluble in water. Jorkest did comparisons years ago and found 60% alcohol solutions to greatly outperform 90+% for this type of approach.

Similarly, starway7 has reported highly satisfactory results by extracting rue seeds with export strength vodka (40% abv) and evaporating down to a resin.

 

[inthebeginning]

Thanks! I have some caapi vine on the way, and I'll give it a go when it arrives.