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Caffeine freebase extraction

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Mindlusion said:
I can think of one time, I got my new dual action, low rpm concial burr coffee bean grinder, with 14 different grind settings.
I was tinkering with the settings on both my grinder and espresso machine, in hopes of creating the perfect cup, before I knew it, i had consumed 6 double espressos in about 20 minutes.

I experienced anxiety, and what I would say felt like a mild form of amphetamine psychosis. I also experienced peripheral hallucinations. I had heard about caffeine hallucinations, so I thought this part was kind of cool. Basically just white dots moving on my peripheries. No more visually fascinating then an eye floaty.
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i agree the effects are not really that much compared to any enthogen like LSD , mushrooms or anything , just over thinking and being awake

however the after effects are a disaster , ever since this incident , i started thinking , i used to not really ever think before this , my tolerance to all entheogens including marijuana dropped , i started facing anxiety from this point in my life ,

i never had anxiety attacks before this , if enlightenment is considered to be a thoughtless mind , i was already enlightened this made me start thinking , before this incindent i could remember long string of numbers upto 1000's of count , i still write with both my hands ( yes and amphedextrist ) , i had a nearly eidetic memory , i was training to be a stock market analyst at that point of time in my life ,

i lost a supposedly good career , my brilliant memory , and my still mind

these days i still write and draw with both my hands ( left mostly ) , however naturally i was born right handed and continued to be so well into my teens when left hand came into full force

the trip of caffiene is nothing , literally nothing happens and it does happen literally if nothing was a thing caffiene makes it happen ...... over thinking is the first stage of classical madness , and caffiene makes one think over and over again continuously .... thats what happened to me , during the whole trip for 2 days after drinking the supersizedidiotic coffee i just kept thinking being awake dehydrating and smoking cannabis continuously , eventually i slept and woke up fine

for a few weeks i felt nothing since the intial trip really did nothing ,at this point in my life i had done much LSD so i discarded the coffee incident as nothing since the effect was hardly compareable to any psychadelic medicine, however the after effect was that i had started to think , soon within few weeks i started having panic attacks while smoking cannabis which never happened before , i could hardly consume alcohol like before , tolerance to LSD and other psychadelics was lowered ,

the coffee did not really do much compared to any psychadelic or even what cannabis does , it only made me think , i still think and my clarity of mind has been ruined and this shows up in all areas of my life , the coffee trip is really nothing much , its the aftermath that has affected everything

i say again pls be careful before this incident i could drink 2 cups of esspressos at the same time and be fine , used to gulp atleast 6 cups of coffee during the whole day , now i cannot drink more than 1 cup in 5 hours , more than that and i suffer anxiety attacks

caffiene is not psychadelic , in higher doseages it sets in delerium and thus
at higher doseages its a delirant stimulant

pls its not fun , the aftermath is excessive thoughts , overthinking continuously forever until it gets better

this is the reason why i try so hard to be in the moment and write up idiotic threads about paying attention to hearing and breath and all the other crap

pls be careful everyone , i write this with best of intentions
life is fragile at times ,

i would not say this if i did not have to i have done various psychadelics and can attest to their benifits , yes LSD is good for you i have experienced this more than a few hundred times close to 500 hits over the course of 10 years , so are mushrooms , Ayahuasca and mescaline , DMT is very good , i've done my fair share so please believe me when i say caffiene is not good for you
 
Kewl. That's all fine and dandy but I am interested in the chemistry here not subjective anecdotes k thx.

Going to base with ammonia to pH 9, pull with toulene (no idea where to get dcm, plus I has no sep funnel.. ), then re-x with hot acetone... Thanks ya'll.

And for the record I never stated what I plan on doing with this so don't jump to conclusions. You can guess until the cows come home to feast on candy corn 'cause real food is too expensive.
 
pls understand accepting my own foolishness and telling this tale of idiocy is not easy for me , now you guys know how stupid i am , this is the reason why i had not posted this before even when i wanted to , i still did not do so to not appear stupid ,

however reading this thread today , i could not resist telling this cautionary tale for i cannot let another brilliant mind be ruined and because there is so much love in the community , i could not resist sharing this stupid tale

much love and respect everyone
 
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Kewl. That's all fine and dandy but I am interested in the chemistry here not subjective anecdotes k thx.

Going to base with ammonia to pH 9, pull with toulene (no idea where to get dcm, plus I has no sep funnel.. ), then re-x with hot acetone... Thanks ya'll.

And for the record I never stated what I plan on doing with this so don't jump to conclusions. You can guess until the cows come home to feast on candy corn 'cause real food is too expensive.
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perhaps i do jump to conclusions too soon , atleast you know the dangers so , i guess you'll be making good informed choices , i had to say it just for harm reductions sake and the need for information on the subjective effects
 
Yeah this thread got a bit de-railed.\


Infund was right, the smell of freshly ground beans does turn me on. :d

jamie, sorry that statement wasn't very clear, if you read my entire post you might have seen my point. I edited that statement to make it clearer.

and House, yea. Simple acid/base, you can use ammonia or sodium carbonate, whatever you have on hand. Your going to want to use DCM if you want any worthwhile yields.

Re-x with hot acetone will do dandy.

But, I'd take advantage of freebase caffeines physical properties and do a makeshift sublimation recrystalization. This method would result in crystals in much higher purity then any old solvent re-x.

a pyrex glass with the crude caffeine can be heated with med. heat, a makeshift condenser is as simple as another glass full of ice water placed ontop of the glass containing the caffeine. The gaseous caffeine will crystallize on the cold glass.
 
Where does the layman get DCM? It will sink to the bottom of the vessel right?
I obviously have some experimentation to do.
Maybe yield doesn't matter if processing a pound of caffeine citrate?
I am trying to wrap my head around this kitchen sublimation technique- could you perhaps go into further detail when you have the time? Thank you my good man.
 
Laymans access to DCM is a bit limitted.

It can be obtained by distillation of KS3 paint stripper(the product is originally a plasticy goop yick).

I have heard some aerosol like sprays contain DCM with other solvents(which would be fine for this) although I can't recall an exact product name. It's largely been out-phased from consumer use due to its environmental implications.

Ether from break starter fluid would likely suffice as well.
 
InMotion said:
Laymans access to DCM is a bit limitted.

It can be obtained by distillation of KS3 paint stripper(the product is originally a plasticy goop yick).

I have heard some aerosol like sprays contain DCM with other solvents(which would be fine for this) although I can't recall an exact product name. It's largely been out-phased from consumer use due to its environmental implications.

Ether from break starter fluid would likely suffice as well.
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Yes, distilled furniture stripper is my source as well.

The aerosol you mentioned, theres a product in canada known as Jig-a-loo, its a silicon lubricant, solvated with DCM.


Experiment your heart out, theres lots of possibilites for solvents, just the haloforms or or otherwise aprotic solvents like diethyl either will be the best for the job.


Distilling is fun too, and can be easily improvised. Like a stove top kettle sealed to a copper tube

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I found a perfect video tutorial on sublimation for you house.
Though, sublimation is better for smaller-scale, I don't think you could easily do it with a pound of caffeine. you could easily sublimate 1 to a few 100s grams of caffeine.


*For improvisation of containers, its usually pretty easy, think pyrex dishes, the kind that come with a glass lid. Or even wide glass container, with bowl that fits snugly over the rim of the glass, filled with ice water. use your imagination


Hot acetone would be a better idea if your trying to clean a pound of caffeine!
 
Why not just purify by sublimation. I'm sure your clever enough to set up a container with a cold trap on it. Caffeine is very easy to purify in this way. As for extracting it, I would just soak some tea bags in acetone, evaporate for a crude extract, then set up a cold trap and heat your crude product. Pure caffeine should stick to the cold trap.
 
i have abused caffeine since about 10. started with coffee. soon moved to Energy Drinks and powders by 16 once i got my first job

now 21 was working at a bakery (18-29 hr shifts) would consume 6-7 nos energy drinks which contain 200mg of caffeine per can. I would experience CEV and if in a dark room or outside at night OEV. I eventually just got over than caffeine induced panic attacks. i can feel them in the early stages and stomp them out.

the most FB caffeine i have smoke was ~ 450 mg over two bowls nothing very exciting there. very fleeting OEV, slight patterning, and lots of colorless orbs flying around the room. i tried to infuse some herb with the caffeine FB for some Caffeine change. the taste was unpleasant from my mix

; but nos is cheap where i am 50 cents a can and propels me far.

but ive since left the bakery job and have now cut caffeine out of my diet, but the withdrawals were insane, i also didn't shit for 4-5 days and that was no fun.
but my body has returned to a healthier state :)
 
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