Camalonga strychnos and related seeds as entheogens?

[prottel]

Indeed I will use caution when starting out with these seeds. However, these seeds does seem to be pretty much the only kind there is in iquitos that is used as camalonga. When in the herbal market, like every shop had camalonga seeds.

Just give me a few minutes, and Ill take a picture of them and see if I cant post it here.

 

[69ron]

This is an exciting thread. I love reading about rare ethnobotanicals.

I'm really curious which type of camalonga you actually have. Being that there are two kinds of “camalonga” from two totally difference unrelated species of plants, calling them “camalonga” is confusing. I wish they didn’t do that. This has often been a problem when identifying rare ethnobotanicals. The natives will often use the same name for a few different kinds of plants.

 

['Coatl]

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[prottel]

Have no access to upload the images yet.

The nuts looks like these, only that they are greyish in colour.

The lady said that it was the same seeds, only that these are older, possibly bigger.

On the page I got this image from, it is said to be Thevetia peruviana, but from searching on the net for Thevetia peruviana nuts, they are supposed to look like this:

 

[prottel]

Here is a picture of the camalonga seeds I got. The ones on the left side is male(hombre) and the ones on the right side is female(embra).
Click the picture to see a larger version.


And here is a link to the full size picture.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3710/camalongamalefemale.jpg

 

[69ron]

The close-up picture is great. I've never seen them in that detail before. How much did they cost?

They look like members of the Strychnos family to me. Those seeds look sort of like fat Strychnos nux vomica seeds. Strychnos nux vomica are the same color, with the same texture as those, but flat disks instead.

How does the seed taste? It is extremely bitter? Strychnos nux vomica seeds taste like strychinine: extremely bitter. If there’s strychnine present, even as little as 0.1%, they will taste very bitter.

 

[prottel]

How much did they cost?

A bit less than a dollar a nut. Might have a few for you if you are interested in testing them.

How does the seed taste? It is extremely bitter? Strychnos nux vomica seeds taste like strychinine: extremely bitter. If there’s strychnine present, even as little as 0.1%, they will taste very bitter.

It is not extremely bitter. From the small taste I had Id say it is slightly bitter.

 

[69ron]

How much did they cost?

A bit less than a dollar a nut. Might have a few for you if you are interested in testing them.

That’s not a bad price at all. I’ve seen them sold for more than ten times that much.

How does the seed taste? It is extremely bitter? Strychnos nux vomica seeds taste like strychinine: extremely bitter. If there’s strychnine present, even as little as 0.1%, they will taste very bitter.

It is not extremely bitter. From the small taste I had Id say it is slightly bitter.

It may not have strychnine. It may have one of strychnine’s close chemical cousins like brucine or something similar, most of which are not as toxic as strychnine. Not all seeds in the strychnos family contain strychnine.

Have you ever seen any alkaloid data on these seeds?

 

[prottel]

Have you ever seen any alkaloid data on these seeds?

No, havent seen anything about it. Dont know their scientific name either. Only know that they supposedly grows in the andes, on big trees that gives lots of nuts.

 

[69ron]

We need more people on this thread.

There must be someone with more knowledge about these seeds who frequents this forum.

When you tasted a little, did it make your mouth numb? Brucine, one of the alkaloids in Strychnos nux vomica, makes your mouth numb. I don’t know what isolated brucine tastes like. It may not be as bitter as strychnine. Little is known about brucine. It’s been overshadowed by strychnine in the literature. Brucine is about 1/20 the potency of strychnine and is said not to produce convulsions. It’s supposed to decrease one’s sensitivity to sensory stimuli, which is the opposite effect from strychnine. But I’ve also read conflicting reports saying that its effects are the same as strychnine, just weaker.

To my eyes it looks related to Strychnos nux vomica. The color, the texture, some of the other features, all look like nux to me, except for the shape. Nux is flat, disk shaped, and yours are fat and rounded.

If no one knows the exact botanical identification of it, how do they know if they sold you the right seeds or not?

 

[prottel]

When you tasted a little, did it make your mouth numb?

Didnt really notice much at all actually. But I just tried a very small piece.

If no one knows the exact botanical identification of it, how do they know if they sold you the right seeds or not?

I dont think anyone in Belen, where I bought it knows its exact botanical identification. All the plants there go by their local names.

 

['Coatl]

I read a report that when used sublingually, it produces LSD like effects. Is this true? From what I gather, the main alkaloid is most likely strychnine. I never heard that strychnine was psychedelic. I know it’s a stimulant, but a psychedelic? I find that hard to believe.

There is something else going on here... One of the types of seeds used as "Camalonga" does not contain strychnine and is psychedelic.

 

[69ron]

More tests need to be done. There's too much unknown about these seeds.