Can I have a "microdosed" DMT experience?

[Varallo]

We all have different sensitivities. My first experience was with 3g of syrian rue and 3g of mimosa hostilis. I'll just tell you that I completely lost consciousness of myself in this reality and I didn't remember who I was, so it's not a low dose for everyone

I completely agree, hence the low starting doses recommended ( 1 gram ) to start, when timing is well and on a good day 3 grams is enough for a strong experience.

 

[NeitherHere]

I currently have syrian rue seeds and mimosa hostilis bark powder. I would like to create anahuasca, but I am wondering if there is a way to have a "slight" DMT trip (i.e. visuals are overlayed on my current reality and I am not visiting other worlds completely). I am planning to take 3g of syrian rue via tea, but I am unsure about the dosing of hostilis for the effect I want. I know all dosing can be unpredictable, but if anyone has any ideas or experience, let me know. This would be my first DMT trip.

I am also not on any SSRIs or any medications that would impact effects. My last dose of Lexapro was around four months ago, and now I use CBD as my antidepressant.

I have no experience with the maoi side just yet but in my experience when you're trying to dial something in especially low dose I'd recommend you start as low as possible. It might take a few days to get the effects your looking for due to compound tolerances but start super low and gradually work up to where you want to be on either side of this spectrum. Once you find your tolerance for both then start the testing process again but with both substances. If you find one is more than you want then reduce the volume and maintain the other compounds value and go from there.

It just takes time. But be warned, sometimes you might bite off more than you can chew so remember to show respect not only to yourself but the medicine. I have seen first hand what happens when you get a bit too big for your britches.

Remember, you have your whole life to find the answers you seek. There's no rush. If you're rushing something involving the mind there's a significant chance you might harm or outright break it. It's not fun dealing with the consequences of over indulgence.

Best of luck and remember you can always reach out to the nexus with your related questioning and even if you just need to talk.

NeitherHere

 

[AstralRoots]

We all have different sensitivities. My first experience was with 3g of syrian rue and 3g of mimosa hostilis. I'll just tell you that I completely lost consciousness of myself in this reality and I didn't remember who I was, so it's not a low dose for everyone

To clarify, these were consumed "raw dog" style through ingesting the whole plants rather than in tea format?

Have you tried both methods?

Wow! That sounds quite similar to my current experience and possibly trajectory with sr and acrb. 4g/1.5g equalled quite enough to work with for me personally and am unsure I need to increase when I come back to the gate next.

 

[MAGMA17]

To clarify, these were consumed "raw dog" style through ingesting the whole plants rather than in tea format?

Have you tried both methods?

Wow! That sounds quite similar to my current experience and possibly trajectory with sr and acrb. 4g/1.5g equalled quite enough to work with for me personally and am unsure I need to increase when I come back to the gate next.

Yes! In that case they were powdered. I just mixed the powder in a glass of fresh orange juice and drink it. First the rue, and after 40 minutes the mimosa.

Actually I never tried in my short psychedelic career ( ) to cook a plant. Even with San Pedro cactus, I ate the powder straight. But my stomach is quite strong, I discovered.

Yes, when I read about your experience I thought the same thing!

 

[AstralRoots]

Yes! In that case they were powdered. I just mixed the powder in a glass of fresh orange juice and drink it. First the rue, and after 40 minutes the mimosa.

Actually I never tried in my short psychedelic career ( ) to cook a plant. Even with San Pedro cactus, I ate the powder straight. But my stomach is quite strong, I discovered.

Yes, when I read about your experience I thought the same thing!

Ahh. For whatever reason, I feel I waited way too long to consume the ac. I had in my mind two hours. Perhaps this is why the duration was approximately three hours instead of four or more.

Interesting that you've NEVER cooked a plant! I would then guess you're not interested in isolating either? Golly gee, during my SP adventures I certainly wished that I could have eaten it raw however 2.5FT even after excluding the core etc was a bit much for me to brave. I have however eaten a great deal of raw peyote.

Yes we must be of the category of having stomachs of steel.

@Maddd_Maxxx

"And very interesting experiences with rue! Can you elaborate on the waking dream state you experienced? What are visuals and feelings like? Also would love to hear more about the militant side. Is it intense in a wrathful way (like stories I have heard with datura) or more parental?"

I can to the best of my ability given the long stretch of time since the experiences transpired. Some of what I share will be redundant but here goes anyway.

Waking dream as in during meditation with the spirit of rue I can be shown symbols, images, and colors on a "movie screen" with eyes opened or closed. It's as if I am dreaming whilst awake if this makes any sense at all.

I also agree with a prominent poster on the subject that the spirit of rue can show up differently at different times for different participants/partakers. Time of harvest, place of harvest, etc may also play a role in the energetics of the medicine. Militantly intense in its expression at times on the one hand and compassionately loving gentle on the other. Not unlike my continued exploration with aya analogues. Sometimes both qualities within the same journey.

The first contact with the spirit of rue was profoundly gentle, loving, compassionate, and sort of neutral if this makes any sense at all. I found myself in a dark night of the soul type place in life in serious need of assistance. A friend of mine out of the blue suggested I begin working with rue as he had found great help from it as an ally. The first few goes were deeply cathartic, supportive, angelic, and loving. Angel meaning messenger. No doubt these plants can be angelic which can simply mean messengers..

That's what I got for now.

Take care!

 

[Maddd_Maxxx]

I have no experience with the maoi side just yet but in my experience when you're trying to dial something in especially low dose I'd recommend you start as low as possible. It might take a few days to get the effects your looking for due to compound tolerances but start super low and gradually work up to where you want to be on either side of this spectrum. Once you find your tolerance for both then start the testing process again but with both substances. If you find one is more than you want then reduce the volume and maintain the other compounds value and go from there.

It just takes time. But be warned, sometimes you might bite off more than you can chew so remember to show respect not only to yourself but the medicine. I have seen first hand what happens when you get a bit too big for your britches.

Remember, you have your whole life to find the answers you seek. There's no rush. If you're rushing something involving the mind there's a significant chance you might harm or outright break it. It's not fun dealing with the consequences of over indulgence.

Best of luck and remember you can always reach out to the nexus with your related questioning and even if you just need to talk.

NeitherHere

Thank you so much for your advice! This is my current plan right now, so it feels good to know that I am heading in the right direction. First I am working with the rue to see how it makes me feel and judge dosing, then I will do it independently with the hostilis before combining very slowly.

Like you said, I definitely don’t want to traumatize myself. I do feel ready, but only with going in cautiously and respectfully. I am definitely prepared to take a couple months with the process, including giving my little brain many breaks

 

[Maddd_Maxxx]

Ahh. For whatever reason, I feel I waited way too long to consume the ac. I had in my mind two hours. Perhaps this is why the duration was approximately three hours instead of four or more.

Interesting that you've NEVER cooked a plant! I would then guess you're not interested in isolating either? Golly gee, during my SP adventures I certainly wished that I could have eaten it raw however 2.5FT even after excluding the core etc was a bit much for me to brave. I have however eaten a great deal of raw peyote.

Yes we must be of the category of having stomachs of steel.

@Maddd_Maxxx

"And very interesting experiences with rue! Can you elaborate on the waking dream state you experienced? What are visuals and feelings like? Also would love to hear more about the militant side. Is it intense in a wrathful way (like stories I have heard with datura) or more parental?"

I can to the best of my ability given the long stretch of time since the experiences transpired. Some of what I share will be redundant but here goes anyway.

Waking dream as in during meditation with the spirit of rue I can be shown symbols, images, and colors on a "movie screen" with eyes opened or closed. It's as if I am dreaming whilst awake if this makes any sense at all.

I also agree with a prominent poster on the subject that the spirit of rue can show up differently at different times for different participants/partakers. Time of harvest, place of harvest, etc may also play a role in the energetics of the medicine. Militantly intense in its expression at times on the one hand and compassionately loving gentle on the other. Not unlike my continued exploration with aya analogues. Sometimes both qualities within the same journey.

The first contact with the spirit of rue was profoundly gentle, loving, compassionate, and sort of neutral if this makes any sense at all. I found myself in a dark night of the soul type place in life in serious need of assistance. A friend of mine out of the blue suggested I begin working with rue as he had found great help from it as an ally. The first few goes were deeply cathartic, supportive, angelic, and loving. Angel meaning messenger. No doubt these plants can be angelic which can simply mean messengers..

That's what I got for now.

Take care!

Thank you for all your help! I did a 1.1g dose of rue the other day, and I didn’t get to a trip but I felt relieved. Hope to feel more of the angelic side and to learn from the militant side if it decides to appear

 

[NeitherHere]

Thank you so much for your advice! This is my current plan right now, so it feels good to know that I am heading in the right direction. First I am working with the rue to see how it makes me feel and judge dosing, then I will do it independently with the hostilis before combining very slowly.

Like you said, I definitely don’t want to traumatize myself. I do feel ready, but only with going in cautiously and respectfully. I am definitely prepared to take a couple months with the process, including giving my little brain many breaks

Even if you don't get immediate results what you may find is that you are more readily accepting of the results that you done counter when it's time. Think of it more as building tolerance and understanding. We can't run until we learn to crawl and walk.

Best of luck friend and be safe.

 

[Aseel]

@Maddd_Maxxx
Hi mate, I am new to this forum, new to psychedelics, new to DMT and have just acquired the same ingredients as you so I’m following your journey closely.
I’m planning on making my first brew soon and was thinking 3g rue and 3g MH but I might tone the the MH down to 2g just to be on the safe side.
I’ve been reading and learning about DMT for about 12 years since I had an experience that led me to needing some serious answers to some really strange questions that simply can’t be found on earth. I really want those answers but I’m definitely still nervous about my first trip. Nervous I won’t come back. Luckily I haven’t found anywhere that this has happened to anyone yet but it’s still really good to follow journeys like yours. It’s helping me learn more so I’m interested to keep hearing how things go for you.

 

[Varallo]

@Maddd_Maxxx
Hi mate, I am new to this forum, new to psychedelics, new to DMT and have just acquired the same ingredients as you so I’m following your journey closely.
I’m planning on making my first brew soon and was thinking 3g rue and 3g MH but I might tone the the MH down to 2g just to be on the safe side.
I’ve been reading and learning about DMT for about 12 years since I had an experience that led me to needing some serious answers to some really strange questions that simply can’t be found on earth. I really want those answers but I’m definitely still nervous about my first trip. Nervous I won’t come back. Luckily I haven’t found anywhere that this has happened to anyone yet but it’s still really good to follow journeys like yours. It’s helping me learn more so I’m interested to keep hearing how things go for you.

Don’t worry you’ll be back, and with the dosage you’re planning to take I think you’ll never completely leave . I do however think that you might not find much of an answer in these trips, most of the time you will find that you will have more questions than when you started out. I don’t think that is necessarily an issue but good to know before you jump in.

Best of luck to you and let us know how things went.

 

[Aseel]

Don’t worry you’ll be back, and with the dosage you’re planning to take I think you’ll never completely leave . I do however think that you might not find much of an answer in these trips, most of the time you will find that you will have more questions than when you started out. I don’t think that is necessarily an issue but good to know before you jump in.

Best of luck to you and let us know how things went.

Thank you for that and I will for sure let you know. I’m all kinds of excited and nervous. Crazy

 

[Maddd_Maxxx]

@Maddd_Maxxx
Hi mate, I am new to this forum, new to psychedelics, new to DMT and have just acquired the same ingredients as you so I’m following your journey closely.
I’m planning on making my first brew soon and was thinking 3g rue and 3g MH but I might tone the the MH down to 2g just to be on the safe side.
I’ve been reading and learning about DMT for about 12 years since I had an experience that led me to needing some serious answers to some really strange questions that simply can’t be found on earth. I really want those answers but I’m definitely still nervous about my first trip. Nervous I won’t come back. Luckily I haven’t found anywhere that this has happened to anyone yet but it’s still really good to follow journeys like yours. It’s helping me learn more so I’m interested to keep hearing how things go for you.

Hey there! As others have said, you will definitely be coming back DMT isn’t like amphetamines, which can stop you from breathing. You can’t really “overdose”, but a really, really intense experience might come from a high dose. There might be a strong feeling of dying, but it isn’t the real thing. I am taking my first leap very, very soon with 2g rue and 1.5g of MH. Doing some ginger tea for nausea. Very light dose, but I have had intense entity and God contact & DMT-like experiences on cannabis alone. They have been more than happy to enter my space without warning, so I am just dipping our toes. Hopefully I can feel some presence at the most, but more just wanting to understand how it feels.

I’ll report back when I can and tag you! Great to have someone else voyaging out at the same time as me. Can’t wait to see how you do!

I trust that you’ve read my posts about my subconsciousness visiting me, so I totally understand having questions that humans can’t answer. It haunts you (which I have found that haunting can be both negative and positive). I would not be here without him. I am glad he found me, and I don’t think I would have paid as much attention if he wasn’t so unsettling. I find all of this so exciting but terrifying. It truly is the final frontier, but everyone here (as you will come to know), is insanely supportive, empathetic, and nonjudgemental.

What happened to you/what questions are you seeking to answer?

 

[Aseel]

Hey there! As others have said, you will definitely be coming back DMT isn’t like amphetamines, which can stop you from breathing. You can’t really “overdose”, but a really, really intense experience might come from a high dose. There might be a strong feeling of dying, but it isn’t the real thing. I am taking my first leap very, very soon with 2g rue and 1.5g of MH. Doing some ginger tea for nausea. Very light dose, but I have had intense entity and God contact & DMT-like experiences on cannabis alone. They have been more than happy to enter my space without warning, so I am just dipping our toes. Hopefully I can feel some presence at the most, but more just wanting to understand how it feels.

I’ll report back when I can and tag you! Great to have someone else voyaging out at the same time as me. Can’t wait to see how you do!

I trust that you’ve read my posts about my subconsciousness visiting me, so I totally understand having questions that humans can’t answer. It haunts you (which I have found that haunting can be both negative and positive). I would not be here without him. I am glad he found me, and I don’t think I would have paid as much attention if he wasn’t so unsettling. I find all of this so exciting but terrifying. It truly is the final frontier, but everyone here (as you will come to know), is insanely supportive, empathetic, and nonjudgemental.

What happened to you/what questions are you seeking to answer?

I’m trying my first tiny bit of Syrian rue today! Just 1g. Just trying that as a starter alone today to see how my gut handles it. I’ve fasted since yesterday evening so it’s really just a gut test first at this point.
Yes, exciting and terrifying and also yes, it’s great to have someone else taking the journey at a similar time
Oooh my questions are odd indeed. I sound crazy even to myself to be honest. I remember things I have no business remembering that turn out to be true in a really weird way.
I’ll let you know how it goes with the tiny dose and the nausea side of things after fasting.