Can Vinegar Be Used to Extract DMT from Naphtha?!

[Apoc]

Hello. I use naphtha. I heard someone mention about pulling dmt from naphtha using vinegar. I was looking for more details, how it's done. That way, I can let the vinegar evap in open air without worrying about it, and less worry about naphtha in general. Plus using vinegar would make the product more edible anyway (I eat dmt).

Do you just do a usual naphtha tek, and when you pull the naphtha, instead of letting the naphtha evaporate, or doing a freeze precip, you just mix vinegar with the naphtha, mix and let sit for a bit, then collect the vinegar and let the vinegar evaporate. Oh, I so hope that's how it's done.

So, does it have to be a certain type of vinegar? Does anyone know what ratios to use? Also, does this get all or most of the dmt out of the naphtha, or would you lose a lot of spice this way? THANKS!

 

[Apoc]

please someone must know. SWIM's in the middle of a tek right now.... need to know what to do. THanks!!!!!

 

[Blundering_Novice]

please someone must know. SWIM's in the middle of a tek right now.... need to know what to do. THanks!!!!!

Do you have access to a freezer?

 

[endlessness]

pure vinegar with no additives.. and yeah you can salt dmt out of naphtha with it, and then reuse the naphtha

if you evap vinegar, it will leave you with dmt acetate, which is a goo. Some people in the nexus seem to have been successfull converting dmt acetate to dmt freebase by keeping evapping the dmt acetate with mild heat. I havent had success with my try with that, so what I did was to mix the dmt acetate goo with sodium carbonate, add bit of water to make paste, dry that, pull with acetone (or IPA, both work equally good) and evap the acetone. This will leave you with dmt freebase

the dmt freebase from dmt acetate may not crystalize, will remain as a goo too, but you can just infuse some herbs with it, make changa.

good luck and tell us how it went

 

[Apoc]

pure vinegar with no additives.. and yeah you can salt dmt out of naphtha with it, and then reuse the naphtha

Thanks for all that. I don't mind too much if I get goo. I'm just going to drink the goo right out of my tek bowl as a tea. That's ok right? I'm just confirming here once and for all the reason evyone seems to want crystals. It's just because crystals are smokeable right? But if you're not goign to smoke it, then drinking goo is fine right?

I couldn't do that with naphtha, drink it I mean And I won't lose a single mg of spice this way, cause I'll just mix it with coke until it all dissolves. Plus the vinegar will neutralize extraneous lye. The advantages to this are endless, I'm so glad I learned this today.

 

[endlessness]

how are you going to calculate the dosage with a goo? thats the main issue I would say. Also for storage and general managing, a goo is always more troublesome to work with, but if you have your solutions, then of course its fine

 

[SnozzleBerry]

pure vinegar with no additives.. and yeah you can salt dmt out of naphtha with it, and then reuse the naphtha

Thanks for all that. I don't mind too much if I get goo. I'm just going to drink the goo right out of my tek bowl as a tea. That's ok right? I'm just confirming here once and for all the reason evyone seems to want crystals. It's just because crystals are smokeable right? But if you're not goign to smoke it, then drinking goo is fine right?

I couldn't do that with naphtha, drink it I mean And I won't lose a single mg of spice this way, cause I'll just mix it with coke until it all dissolves. Plus the vinegar will neutralize extraneous lye. The advantages to this are endless, I'm so glad I learned this today.

I would suggest just brewing mimosahuasca rather than going through all the trouble of extracting, especially if you're ok with a goo as the end product. The water-extracted mimosa will have more full-range alks than just dmt (so you'll essentially get more bang for your buck, so to speak, and an experience that many find to be more holistic than just dmt salts/freebase). It's totally up to you, I just thought it may save you time and effort as well as allowing you to go farther with the same amount of material by making tea rather than extraction goo. Also, if you're concerned with losing dmt, you will almost certainly lose more actives doing a naptha extraction and drinking the goo than drinking the tea from a water extraction of mimosa. Also, what are you planning on using for an maoi when you drink your goo?

People want crystals because they're easy to smoke, easy to store, easy to weigh (so for those people concerned with precise dosing, they can rest assured they know how much they're taking). In all honesty, for your planned method of ingestion, water-extracted mimosa tea would allow you to weigh your mimosa before hand and using a rough %alk calculation you'd have a ballpark estimate that would be as good if not better than attempting to guesstimate your goo. Just my $.02, hope your extraction goes well.

SB

 

[InnerDarkness]

This is the tek I'm doing right now & was wondering if you guys think I should add a step at the beginning with vinegar & a step at the end with a cold ammonia wash.

1) Mix 600ml's distilled water with 100g's of pure lye. After it cools add 110g's of powdered back

2) Shake as often as I can over 24 hours

3) Add 150cc's naptha & shake as often as I can for another 24 hours

4) I then pull as much naptha out that I can & wash with SC water.

5) I pour the naptha off into a pint mason & freeze precip for 24 hours.

6) I will also then re-x with new naptha for 10-15 minutes with a heat bath & then draw the naptha out & leave behind yellow gunk (I may do this 3 or so times in a period of an hour as the yellow good keeps settling on the bottom) & then crystal grow at room temp for 24 hours & then pour off the naptha to another pint mason jar & freeze precip again for another 24 hours. (after 12 I've already have pure white snow left behind... another 12 hours to go before I pull it to dry)

I've been getting AMAZING yields with this method. Probably around 1g DMT for every 110g's of bark roughly. But the crystals & powder are of super high quality & purity.

I'm just wondering if you guys think I'd have even bigger yields by possibly doing a vinegar or ammonia step?

 

[InnerDarkness]

Ice House Shaman said:
agoutihead asked-

Ok so what about a vinegar step before the lye?

I've read where one tek says let sit in vinegar for 4 days.

That may be a little too much.

Would 24-48 hours soaking in vinegar first yield more product?

Speaking from experience, the vinegar step is a great idea. IMO you will get better yeilds. If you have the time give it a couple day soak. A 4 day soak is not too much, if you have the time.

Soaking in vinegar that long does allow the bark to break down considerably this helps to release all of the spice into the basified solution, which means there will be more goodies to pull with your solvent.

How more yield would I be looking at by throwing a vinegar step in? Double? I've seem to be averaging about 1g per 110g's of powdered bark I'm using...

If I can get considerable more yields I'll gladly let it sit for 3 or 4 days.

Ok, so if I were going to throw a vinegar step in there to start, I take how much vinegar for the 110g's of powdered bark I'm using?

Also, after the 4 days, do you drain the vinegar or does it stay in the jar the entire time? Do you then just add the basified water to it after 4 days?

 

[Ice House]

Ice House Shaman said:
agoutihead asked-

Ok so what about a vinegar step before the lye?

I've read where one tek says let sit in vinegar for 4 days.

That may be a little too much.

Would 24-48 hours soaking in vinegar first yield more product?

Speaking from experience, the vinegar step is a great idea. IMO you will get better yeilds. If you have the time give it a couple day soak. A 4 day soak is not too much, if you have the time.

Soaking in vinegar that long does allow the bark to break down considerably this helps to release all of the spice into the basified solution, which means there will be more goodies to pull with your solvent.

How more yield would I be looking at by throwing a vinegar step in? Double? I've seem to be averaging about 1g per 110g's of powdered bark I'm using...

If I can get considerable more yields I'll gladly let it sit for 3 or 4 days.

Ok, so if I were going to throw a vinegar step in there to start, I take how much vinegar for the 110g's of powdered bark I'm using?

Also, after the 4 days, do you drain the vinegar or does it stay in the jar the entire time? Do you then just add the basified water to it after 4 days?

Way to go Jonny! Quote me off another website! I love it. You had me guessing WTF! For a moment there.

To answer your questions, No, it wont double your yeilds, but, you could, depending on the type of extraction your doing and the quality of your bark, get close to 1.8% so + or - 1.8 grams on 110 grams of mhrb. Thats been my average as of late and I do the vinegar soak. I didnt always do it but I do always do it now.

I would use just enough vinegar to completly soak and cover the bark. Keeping it warm would also help, but is not a must.

You do not drain the vinegar when you are ready to basify your solution. Just add your water and your lye.

Good luck

 

[InnerDarkness]

Ok I'm going to give the vinegar a whirl, might as well get everything I can.

So what kind of vinegar is the best for this?

 

[consciousness]

This is interesting.

You let the mhrb soak in vinegar for a few days, add enough water so the vinegar + water equals the amount of water you'd usually use. Then of course add the appropriate amount of lye and proceed as you normally would.

Is this right? If this substantially increases yields why doesn't everyone who does stb do this?

 

[Gir]

Strange. I just pulled from 108g mhrb ~1.8% yeild from just regular STB. Bear in mind this took a total of 2 days, and 5 pulls, 2 of which sat overnight each night. I would like to try this vinegar step, I think I might. But IceHouse can you be a bit more specific on measurement? Im using powdered bark, so I dont really have a "fill over bark" height. I am thinking ~500mL vinegar, let soak for 3-4days then add 1000mL of water with lye already in the mix. Then mix/roll for 3 minutes, set aside for 25 minutes, and then continue on as normal STB.

The vinegar seems like a great idea. Anything that would help breakdown the mhrb to get at the good stuff sounds like its worth a try. Shame I just used up my last HDPE doing a standard STB

 

[InnerDarkness]

What kind of vinegar is used?

 

[InnerDarkness]

Ok so I found out its white distilled.

Now my question is, there is only so much room inside of a mason jar & obviously adding vinegar is going to take away from how much basified water I can add.

So can or does the vinegar take place of the distilled water at all?

I will still use 100g's of lye, but perhaps instead of using 600ml's of distilled water, I can only add 450ml or something?

Will this be ok since the vinegar is also in there to help add to the water volume?

Am I making sense?

 

[Ice House]

IceHouse can you be a bit more specific on measurement?

I use 1 liter for a pound of bark. I dont think measuring is that important. Just add until your bark is soaked/saturated with it.

 

[q21q21]

Was suspended so couldn't reply earlier.

What you guys are theorizing DOES work and has been thoroughly tested my many. Amor-Fati's tek uses soaking the bark in vinegar, so does q21q21's

SWIM's testing was basically like this

STB w/ lime= 2 days for .8% yield (yellowish), 4-5 large pulls of naptha

STB lime with 1 hour soak of 1ml hot vinegar/1g mhrb = 4 hours for .95% yield (pure white), 3 small pulls


The vinegar soaking of the bark only needs to take 20-30 minutes and would work just as well or better with lye presumably.
It also works just as well with limonene/xylene but of course gets the jungle and n-oxides without needing to add any heat.


SWIM has found that adding 50/50 boiling water and 5% white vinegar works just as well as pure, possibly less could be used.
Mix it around, it will be beautifully red and after 20-30 minutes the DMT-tannate will be ALL converted and dissolved in the water as DMT acetate (at least seemingly, but the immense results)

In SWIM's test he got 1.1% of the product out after soaking it in xylene for 15 minute, mixing the lime in well for only 5 minutes. Once again this would presumably work just as well or faster for lye.

 

[InnerDarkness]

I've had 110g's of powdered bark soaking in perhaps a 1.5-2 cups of distilled white vinegar for almost 3 days now. I'll probably be adding the basified water later today when I get around to it.

I'll then let that sit for another 24 hours like usual before adding naptha.