Can we stay like this?

[Infectedstyle]

Can we, pretty please?

My first experience with DMT has been a trial and error. I smoked 200MG (in seperate doses ofcourse) and burned all of it in a gvg. And the most I got out of it was seeing a brief instance of a purple elf. In 2D. Accompanied with a striking feeling of being 'altered'. you can't quite define it but you feel like functioning on a higher level.

I got home from that and decided to do it right this time. And smoked alone. After getting a good hit in. For a brief moment I saw my dad and a voice was telling me to calm down the issues with my dad. But after that, I opened my eyes. And wow! The colours! I mean.. I don't quite hallucinate. But everything has gotten such a sharp edge to it. Especially blacks and white stood out. The word divine doesn't quite cut it to be honest. The only fitting word I can find is (and uttered in that state); This is so Cool!.. I'm feeling like I'm in the Matrix and this is fricking badass!

I thought of our Legendary The Trav. (He posited as an example position. As an experienced frontman who introduced me to DMT by creating this forum)
And then it occurred to me that there MUST be a way to feel like this all the time. I could completely picture going out to scenes in the city and feel just like this. Perhaps LSD is an option, but if it is anything like mushrooms it is probably a no-go. These things disintergrate my speech completely in a way that DMT does certainly not. DMT is clean in that regard. What it does do for me is enhance the mind to such a surreal level that the sheer thought of getting bored is ridiculous. Casually grabbing a glass of water to drink in this state was as if permitted to be a human and Neo at the same time.

I feel like making an effort to unlock this 'thing' and cultivate the dmt trip as a permanent state. I'm just not sure where to begin. I would like to know more about exact pathways, ofcourse. Or if experienced meditators are able to get into this state. I think that is the way forward. And ultimately, I think DMT simply gives a peak to what can be achieved with the human brain. And what has been perhaps achieved on another planet. But a very rare occurence here on earth. Perhaps maybe a long time ago when the Pyramids where being built in Egypt. But right now, it seems like the most alien thought known to man.

 

[TiHKAL]

LSD is a good option but why not experiment with Ayahuasca or Pharma? It's using the same chemical and can last for several hours easily with the option of redosing. You can't really redose with LSD and LSD itself is very different from a DMT experience at least it is to me.

 

[Infectedstyle]

They both sound quite sedating. I am definitely looking into Pharma and Ayahuasca. I'm sure there's a world waiting there. But both seem to force introspection (so does dmt). But with vaped DMT the reality enhancement I got is different from my one (succesful) experience with Ayahuasca. Which provides more of a glow and heat.

DMT seems to provide sharpness much more comparable to mushrooms in my (limited) experience. But mushrooms in the first 30 minutes I have found make it impossible to feel 'normal'. While on DMT you simply feel enhanced as oppossed to dramatic alterations (trembles, confusion, inability of speech). But mushrooms come close in that regard.

Maybe I should change the "you's" in the above described regard to "I" because i'm describing My experience. But my translations of what is felt on mushrooms is very strinkingly described with recent fMRI data concerning "Default mode network" disintergrating. That is exactly how I feel.

I feel like Harmalas and diet might be a very useful instigator for the state which I am looking for.

But for actually going out into the city. I don't think purging is a good idea. I do leave open the possibility of purging to achieve higher states that are more permanent in it's effect. Hope that made sense!

 

[Infectedstyle]

LSD might be really fun to take in public spaces. A bit of a "Fear and Loathing" feel, but i'm afraid it will disintergrate Default Mode Network in much the same way that Mushrooms do. Making the fear and loathing more literally in that regard.

MDMA comes close. But it is unhealthy in my opinion and it is not an option for long-term use. Next stop , Mescaline?

I really want to change my normal functioning to reduce the need for psychedelics. And I have come close. But my consciousness more or less starts seeing things just out of my peripheral vision or in the shadows. I.E. "I see a cat" .. Sometimes felt like my third eye opened when I saw for a moment a boy and a girl kissing who where in reality just standing there.

Which is a very interesting state. But I feel like scratching the surface of spiritual existence.

 

[AcaciaConfusedYah]

An e-cig with an adjustable battery can be handy. The molecule will dissolve into the oil that they sell for the e-cigs. The oil without nicotene is probably the least harsh for this type of thing. It's not the best method for a break through, but if you are just looking for low dose type effets, it'll do.

And, hell yes to mescaline.

Be smart

 

[Guyomech]

Yep, you are talking about low-dose effects. I've heard other members talking about using e-cigs and spice, although you'll want to search the topic for details before trying it. Be sure the effects are fairly predictable before leaving your safe space.

I've taken LSD in public places a few times and didn't love the experience. I think I found it isolating to be the only person around with that perception of the world. The exceptions to this were music events etc where a large enough proportion of the crowd was tripping... That can be good fun and you won't feel like the odd man out.

Ultimately, though, the goal is to integrate these understandings so they can always be with you. To some extent this is possible simply through living your life and working hard to tap into the bank of understandings that you've gleaned from your psychedelic experiences. But there are limitations. For example, certain altered states (including both psychedelic threshold experiences and transcendental meditative ones) have been shown to suppress the part of the brain that limits our sense of significance. This little bit of gray matter is responsible for us feeling that our own children are extremely significant to us, while other people's children are less so, that kind of thing. It helps us sort out which aspects of our life are worth putting the most energy into, and as such is very useful. While tripping, you can reach a state where the tiniest thing (like drinking that glass of water) has total full-bore significance, which is an amazing and probably very informative experience to have, but would likely cripple our decision making if it were always the case.

 

[arcologist]

I had a great first experience last night with 7g of mushrooms, I'd liken it almost exactly to sub-breakthrough DMT (I have a high tolerance to both). After the peak, I had an awesome time and went out for a nighttime bike ride and walk, I've never felt more alive. The mental state was fantastic: increased rate of thought, clarity of thought, deep thinking, everything felt effortless. The HD vision is also pretty neat.

After this, I am going to experiment with micro-dosing with 0.5g and seeing if I can get a sustained euphoria like you are describing without any significant hallucinations.

 

[soulfood]

They both sound quite sedating. I am definitely looking into Pharma and Ayahuasca. I'm sure there's a world waiting there. But both seem to force introspection (so does dmt). But with vaped DMT the reality enhancement I got is different from my one (succesful) experience with Ayahuasca. Which provides more of a glow and heat.

It really depends on the vine.

I've had everything between divine freudian entity revelations of self enlightment through to dancing and laughing with my friend harder and goofier than should be allowed. I mean... you CAN't just stay up all night listening to fanTASTIC music...

THAT...

would be ridiculous.

True story.

 

[Infectedstyle]

The state of being post-mushroom-peak comes really close. The issue with shrooms is that you first have to do the initial shroom trip. Which is good enough, I suppose. Darnit, these things are divine. But these things seem to work like clock-work. First you have an initial tantric experience which demands introspection. I think an issue with micro-dosing is that you keep asking for this initial tantric experience and at some point this will mess you up, or produce tolerance. Same thing for micro-dosing DMT.

And maybe there is a moral issue involved. Tripping with friends is fair game for everyone, but this temporarily enhancement is not available for everyone and any social situation is just not on the same wavelength of experience.

I know of atleast one person who described to me having sober hallucinations. Where objects start being luminous and giving light energy at night in the dark. So that tells me these states are possible. Given enough practice.

 

[Sabnock]

DUDE! I think we are on the same page. I use Ayahuasca/Pharmahuasca, and man if i could feel like that all the time, my life would severely change for the better by becoming enhanced. In fact, my quality of life would go through the roof in a heartbeat. I just feel so normal, so whole, so awesomely awesome and can actually function. And Aya/Pharma is so much better than smoked DMT, by a long shot

Btw, so far in my tests with adding 1 gram Peppermint to my Aya/Pharma, i've successfully blocked out nausea and the purging, it's awesome

I also use Lemon Balm with my Aya/Pharma, and smoke Cannabis as well. I absolutely love this stuff and am well on my way to seeing if i can establish a nausea-free, stress/anxiety free experience and see if i can ultimately feel like this for as long as i can. I believe it can be done by altering the experience with other plants, and Pharma would probably be more suitable, but if i can enhance myself with this stuff then holy f dude i'm gonna live!

Oh and also there's no tolerance buildup with Aya/Pharma and the more you take it the more sensitive you are to it. You can do this stuff night after night after night and it not lose effects. I should know, i use it that way.

Also i take my Aya/Pharma with extracted full spectrum Rue extract or purified Harmalas in a single capsule (one can of course even use the Caapi vine full spectrum extract) and follow it with the Lemon Balm and Peppermint tea, and 30 minutes or so later i can drink my egg white cleansed Mimosa or Acacia tea (one can even use Chacruna or Chaliponga) that i mix with something like sweet tea and i can drink it all at once for a faster and more intense experience or sip on it for a slower come up and lessened intensity but def not lessened effects It's so awesome the way i take it, screw drinking an Ayahuasca brew that's very difficult to drink, i like it convenient, comfortable and easy

Edit: I've made a post about it in the Ayahuasca forum, here - Ever notice a psychostimulant effect from Aya? - Ayahuasca - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Global]

I know of atleast one person who described to me having sober hallucinations. Where objects start being luminous and giving light energy at night in the dark. So that tells me these states are possible. Given enough practice.

I don't think a potential "sober" full-blown DMT state is possible. I match the same description as your friend, but we're talking about comparatively low-level effects here. From the description you gave in your OP, it doesn't sound like you got too far with the actual DMT anyway. Think about it: DMT is a pretty tricky substance as it is. An ignoramus could have a lifetime supply of the stuff, and without really knowing what to do with it, wouldn't really think it could do too much. Even a fairly good helping may not result in getting too far beyond threshold. You take your hits too far apart, and all of a sudden, even though you took a bunch of hits of decent sizes, the "energy" just doesn't add up to bring everything together properly. Of course I'm projecting here, but I couldn't imagine any meditation expert in recreating the breakthrough states that I've experienced. Could they have visionary experiences anyway? Sure, I just don't think they can attain the full DMT state. It simply would require either too much DMT or energy or whatever fuels such an experience.

 

[Infectedstyle]

@Sabnock, Ooooh Sweet. I am definitely looking into Pharma. And it's a good thing I have some mint plants growing on my balcony! Thanks for sharing. Perhaps Harmalas come in close for potentiating a higher-state. Similar compounds have ofcourse been used chronically in the past as anti-depressants. So maybe a pharmaceutical DMT combo is suitable for chronic use as well.

@Global, I am talking sub-breakthrough effects. The state I imagine being useful I think can be accentuated by simply having low amounts released by endogenous DMT. Making you feel like you are on the launching pad all the time. Where potentially if you imagine this state is permanent we could sit down and meditate in this state for breakthrough effects. Perhaps ingesting a small amount of DMT. Or sit down and have a talk about existence whilist being in a higher state.

An experience comes to mind where I could see Chakra's which is a profoundly spiritual state. Which is again a long way from being a full breakthrough but non-theless a very healthy state to be in. It is intense on the mind but I could move freely if I wanted to and talk to other human beings. I mean, if we could prolong this state indefinitely I could see some useful next-level development arising. It would basically mean a spiritual existence much higher than ordinary consciousness.

But the reason I woulden't want to vape dmt in an e-cig is because it is too short. You would have to redose every other minute. The trick that i want to play is finding ways to potentiate endogenous brain function including dmt and make full use of it. If that means ingesting a compound that is metabolized into DMT (so as to not run out) then that is fine by me!

 

[Pandora]

As far as I can determine, humans require contrast in order to create meaning.

This is part and parcel of what integration is about and why it is so important, . . . in my opinion.

To stay like this, . . . that goes against everything that nature shows us. Also, after some interminable period time what used to be novel, delightful, Heaven, Enlightenment or whatever, now becomes . . . well anywhere from familiar to boring to Hellish. Ahh, the human condition. Ain't it grand?

I would encourage folks to not try to chase any DMT or other psychedelic experiences. Nothing wrong with frequent tripping (or achieving a mystical state or "enlightenment," or traveling the bardo realms or w/e) if you feel the call and are healthy in mind, body, set, setting, etc. But, I do think most folks will agree that the real work or benefits achieved come during the integration phase. Growth is never easy and for sure it is never static.

 

[Synkromystic]

However there is on pharma and with Changa, a reality that can appear, that allows for incredible integration of lessons, intuitions, realizations instantly....etc. There is an increased brain function. A mental clarity that is surreal. Increased Flexibility of the body. Tremendously Increased speed, and agility. There are not ''visuals''. No distorted waves in the air to interfere. Yet, visually the room is distinctly different. Like the brain is decoding the reality in an almost inverted way. The colors are completely different. There is an aliveness to everything. It is very difficult to describe, and I am not doing a very good job. But I have experienced this reality multiple times over the last few years off and on. I have experienced it on very large amounts of changa, medium amounts of changa, and medium to small doses of pharma.

Please note that even though these effects could be considered sub breakthrough, large enough doses were consumed for huge breakthroughs (I have over 5 years experience with the spice and well over a 1000 journeys), but the breakthroughs never came. Often times they would start, and quickly morph into this non visual, yet super enhanced reality. It is as if somehow the energy that was released from the interaction of dmt/harmalas on the receptors was directed towards higher brain/sense functions, instead of dissociating the soul from the body. I consider it to be a type of reverse breakthrough. Where the energy from the other sides is blasted here, and the brain can somehow condense it and use it without much change visually to the space.

I have not indulged too much in the last couple of years in trying to recreate these experiences, due to lifes circumstances.. One needs to be incredibly grounded, have extremely strong will power, be very physically healthy, and have a clean and pure mind before I would recommend indulging in extended use pharma/aya. But my intention is to attempt to spend, days, then weeks in this state, but I am a year or 2 away, at least from being ready for such an endeavour.

Pharma or Aya would have to be the way to go for extended trips. Smoking is too erratic and unpredictable to stay on the same general wavelength for an extended period of time.

@Pandora. Each persons path is different. Yet all paths lead to the source. I do agree about chasing experiences. It is essentially a form of addiction. For me though, with huge breakthrough experiences, I don't learn much. There is too much interference when the soul is out of the body for the messages to be transferred cleanly. I know some people don't have this problem, but I have had it consistently. For me, I need to stay in the body, to bring the energy here, instead of going out of body to search for the energy. I have made tremendous progress with this style. Although, my breakthrough experiences have hugely helped me by, opening up the pathways for information to later come in...I dont consider this to be a form of integration.

 

[Orion]

I guess the most you can do is try to live psychedelically, whatever this means. It would be easy if you were an artist, living out of the way of capitalist society and left to your own devices... but to stay in a DMT state of awareness constantly ? Looks like brain chemistry is in the way.

Who knows what the future will bring. It would be nice to find a way to have that 'fixed' feeling I have experienced with DMT. Like a long since worn out circuit has just been patched up or one of the loose pins on my CPU has been soldered back into place, only to slowly detach itself as the the chemical/spirit/divine binary code loses it's freshness. What ever gap was bridged here, I think patching it up could probably patch up a large chunk the human condition. For me it would at least.

I tried micro doses of mushrooms for some time, but psilocin just does not have the same 'frequencies' for me. DMT feels like stepping through and open door and taking it all in, whereas shrooms feel like I'm going through too many doors, some of which I really don't need to open.

There must be something specific about DMT that activates a certain pathway, if we could just find out what that is and how to activate it without hallucinating and being unable to function...

 

[hug46]

As far as I can determine, humans require contrast in order to create meaning.

If i stayed like that i think that the clarity that i feel that i enter into while in certain states of mind would feel less special. I need the contrast.

 

[Felnik]

contrast is a key piece of wisdom for sure . Being able to return to a stable
reality is important for me . That being said I've been experimenting with some
psilocybin mushroom tinctures of varying potencies .
This is the ticket for what your describing .
I've got it down to 1 or two droppers worth and your set . Your completely
functional but feel absolutely beautiful and amazing .

 

[MelCat]

contrast is a key piece of wisdom for sure . Being able to return to a stable
reality is important for me . That being said I've been experimenting with some
psilocybin mushroom tinctures of varying potencies .
This is the ticket for what your describing .
I've got it down to 1 or two droppers worth and your set . Your completely
functional but feel absolutely beautiful and amazing .

Could you elaborate on how you prepare your tinctures?
I'm very interested in experimenting in this area too.

 

[Felnik]

The best tincture so far was a month long grain alcohol soak
with pieces of fresh lemon or lime in with the soak . Can't remember exact amounts
Maybe 7-10 grams of shroom powdered in coffee grinder in minimal amount of alcohol
. Just enough to cover the powder in sealed jar . Shaken almost every day .
Keep refriderated . Filtered out to an amber liquid with coffee filters .
Very clean and effective at small dose levels .

 

[MelCat]

Sounds easy enough, thanks for the info!