I had some trouble finding HDPE containers to run my extaction in, (please do not get started on the Phthalates), so I went ahead and got two one liter sunny D bottles. Now for this tek ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus would it be better to either split the 100 grams in two and just do all the measurements by half in the two sunny D containers, or should I use a milk jug, even though that would have way more room than I would need making it harder to pull the naptha back out than it should be. I guess I kind of just answered my question myself, so I guess what I need to know is if I should just half the measurements and run two jugs at once. Hopefully one day I can be the one answering these newbie questions, but for now I am the one asking them, so thank you guys very much for your help!
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Can you half the ingredients of a tek?
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I don't know what sunny d is made of, if it's not even hdpe, it's probably very unsafe for extractions. What material is it? What do you mean with 'don't get me started on phthalates' ?
As for your question, answer is in the FAQ
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I don't know what sunny d is made of, if it's not even hdpe, it's probably very unsafe for extractions. What material is it? What do you mean with 'don't get me started on phthalates' ?
As for your question, answer is in the FAQ
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It is HDPE, what I meant is that I had trouble finding containers in the right size so I got two half sized containers, also sorry for being so unspecific in the thread title! And when I said don't get started on the Phthalates I meant I don't want a bunch of people barraging me about using specifically glass containers or assuming that I did not know the possible risk. Thank you!
Edit: For anyone wondering, and so that this is not just a useless thread, yes you can halve the amounts of any given tek, or scale it down however you want just as long as you get your math right. Thank you Endlessness
Edit: For anyone wondering, and so that this is not just a useless thread, yes you can halve the amounts of any given tek, or scale it down however you want just as long as you get your math right. Thank you Endlessness
This, I'm afraid, is wrong...MystiCat said:
You do not just halve everything if scaling down...that's not how it works. There should be no maths involved (unless you are counting moles)
Have a look at Extraction Overview
Also you don't need HDPE...every country on the planet will have wine bottles or spirits bottles.
Glass bottles (with lids) are perfect for extracting.
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cyb said:
Hahahaha. ( counting moles ) :lol: :lol: :lol:
I do not understand why you guys are being so unhelpful. I was pointed towards the FAQ instead of having my question just answered, and this is the answer I got
"Can I scale down/up the amounts stated in a tek?
Yes, just scale the quantities proportionally according to your situation."
And what is the point of telling me that I am wrong and not even telling me how or why? You literally just came on this thread to tell me how wrong I am, and then do nothing to help me correct it. I am kind of surprised right now. Is there anyone on this site that actually wants to help me? I would really appreciate it.
"Can I scale down/up the amounts stated in a tek?
Yes, just scale the quantities proportionally according to your situation."
And what is the point of telling me that I am wrong and not even telling me how or why? You literally just came on this thread to tell me how wrong I am, and then do nothing to help me correct it. I am kind of surprised right now. Is there anyone on this site that actually wants to help me? I would really appreciate it.
I have found the information on my own, by reading Cybs Hybrid salt tek, you guys could have easily just pointed me there. I apologize for asking what you guys probably thought was a stupid question, but you could have just pointed me there instead of this.
MystiCat said:
This statement is what is questionable...no need to be so defensive....We try to stop the flow of misinformation here and encourage research instead of spoonfeeding answers.
You don't scale up/down all the amounts of the ingredients...you adjust the pH of the mixture using acids and bases.
You can have X amount of bark and the Water/Acid/Base/Solvent amounts would all be different depending on the dilution of the solution. This is just the basis of A/B chemistry.
For example:
If you have 100g bark in 1 litre of water...you would need 'X' amount of acid to achieve pH 4 and then 'X' amount of base to achieve pH 12 with 50ml Solvent to Pull with...
These 'X' amounts would change if you had 2 litres of water but not necessarily proportionately...
...but great that you've found the answer.
Research pays off in the end
I dont agree with you, cyb.
You can scale down by just reducing everything proportionately. I dont see how pH of solution is relevant here, since with the same proportions it will stay the same.
In your example, if you have 2 liters of water instead of 1 as the tek says, then you just make everything twice the amount, including the plant material, and it will be the same pH. Of course, if you only change one of those variables or not change one of the variables (like plant material), then it possibly wont work, but that would not be reducing (or increasing) proportionately. Unless I'm missing something in your argument...
Summing up: FAQ recommendations stand fine.
You can scale down by just reducing everything proportionately. I dont see how pH of solution is relevant here, since with the same proportions it will stay the same.
In your example, if you have 2 liters of water instead of 1 as the tek says, then you just make everything twice the amount, including the plant material, and it will be the same pH. Of course, if you only change one of those variables or not change one of the variables (like plant material), then it possibly wont work, but that would not be reducing (or increasing) proportionately. Unless I'm missing something in your argument...
Summing up: FAQ recommendations stand fine.
It doesn't really matter as even HDPE isn't rated for the non-polar solvents people use and will degrade with use/over time.DrWalrus said:
It's best to stay away from plastics for such extractions.
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Wine bottle in a bucket incase it breaks (or champagne if you feeling flash).
Gotta be better than sunny d (f***ing horrible stuff).
I have successfully used a large glass mayonnaise jar for a 50g extraction. Only thing you have to watch out for with glass is thermal shock and this can be avoided by slowly adding the hydroxide solution.
On a side note most supermarkets sell HDPE bottles down the dairy Isle (they are the ones with milk in).
For halfing the tek
Most of the Teks on here give ball park figures for things if you know what you are doing you actually have little need to be ultra precise. Dmt is easy to extract, just make sure your acid soak contains acid which is easy. Then when you base just slowly add untill you observe the reaction stop, then begin to pull. For the salt just use a similar amount to bark.
The important thing is to be careful with the way you handle any chemicals and to take precautions incase anything goes wrong. Clear your workplace, check you have some clean water and something to mop up spills. Wear some glasses/gloves when using strong base and use suitable vessels made from a material rated to withstand any chemicals used.
HDPE is apparently "acceptable" for light petroleum distaliate but only at low temps <50c according to the materials chemical resistance chart I looked at. Glass on the other hand is good for most things except stuff like hydrofloric acid which I doubt you will be using.
Also if you are new to this and doing two smaller extractions rather than one big one don't do them similtaniously. Do the first extraction see how it goes and then use that knowledge to makes sure the second extraction goes smoothly as possible.
Gotta be better than sunny d (f***ing horrible stuff).
I have successfully used a large glass mayonnaise jar for a 50g extraction. Only thing you have to watch out for with glass is thermal shock and this can be avoided by slowly adding the hydroxide solution.
On a side note most supermarkets sell HDPE bottles down the dairy Isle (they are the ones with milk in).
For halfing the tek
Most of the Teks on here give ball park figures for things if you know what you are doing you actually have little need to be ultra precise. Dmt is easy to extract, just make sure your acid soak contains acid which is easy. Then when you base just slowly add untill you observe the reaction stop, then begin to pull. For the salt just use a similar amount to bark.
The important thing is to be careful with the way you handle any chemicals and to take precautions incase anything goes wrong. Clear your workplace, check you have some clean water and something to mop up spills. Wear some glasses/gloves when using strong base and use suitable vessels made from a material rated to withstand any chemicals used.
HDPE is apparently "acceptable" for light petroleum distaliate but only at low temps <50c according to the materials chemical resistance chart I looked at. Glass on the other hand is good for most things except stuff like hydrofloric acid which I doubt you will be using.
Also if you are new to this and doing two smaller extractions rather than one big one don't do them similtaniously. Do the first extraction see how it goes and then use that knowledge to makes sure the second extraction goes smoothly as possible.
Thanks Randomness, you are probably the most helpful person I've talked to so far, but I have already done my 50 g extraction, I transferred to a large mason jar and did four pulls last night, although I think possibly I didn't heat the solvent hot enough at all because I only pulled 100 mg's. There does not seem to be much nmt though, it wasn't goo at all, I actually ended up with some yellowish white crystals. I will probably re-x after I figure out how to get the remaining 400 mg's (give or take) out of this bottle. I am going to try these steps from the FAQ out
Dont shake next time, if you did so! Instead, Stir/roll/turn upside down slowly, several times.
Add more basic water/lye to the mix (either mix is not basic enough or too much plant matter for too little water)
Make a warm water bath with the whole container (remember no fire sources near solvents, and leave top slightly open for preventing building up of pressure)
Dont shake next time, if you did so! Instead, Stir/roll/turn upside down slowly, several times.
Add more basic water/lye to the mix (either mix is not basic enough or too much plant matter for too little water)
Make a warm water bath with the whole container (remember no fire sources near solvents, and leave top slightly open for preventing building up of pressure)
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MystiCat said:
Did you freeze precip? You could need a colder freezer or have used to much solvent and need to evaporate for a high enough concentration of spice.
Those FAQ tips are spot on. Never shake you loose solvent into the soup and it traps the spice. Water bath for soup and solvent are a good plan as is adding a bit more hydroxide and observing for any further reactions. If there are any you did not use enough. The extra water is usefull for a soup that is to thick and has trapped your solvent.
Did you get the same amount of solvent out as you out in? If so try diluting as suggested
Hopefully you should get the rest out without to much hassle.
SnozzleBerry said:
I agree with you. Plastics aren't good at all to use. I even knew that non-polar solvents would tear through quite a variety of plastics.
I was just trying to take the safe route and ask the recycling code. Even though MystiCat was going to use naptha. You never know.
It is just good to get more information about specific situations.
P.s. I would never advise plastics. Edit: I would never advise plastics with the use of most non-polar solvents. Plastics are pretty useful for many situations.
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