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Can't get the alkaloid out after 4 attempts

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Impeccable

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I'm speaking from the perspective of my imaginary friend

I have tried extracting a total of 4 times now and have so far gotten zero yield.

Following the vortex STB tech which I found on this site (http://dmt-nexus.me/Files/Books/General/vortex_dmt_extraction_tek_bklt.pdf)

I tried vigourous shaking with warm naphta for 5 mins, left for half a day, then tried shaking again while hot water was running on the bottle (to keep the naphta warm)

I thought I had something when I saw crystals and little white specks form in the jar after a 12 hr freeze, poured out the naphta, but then the crystals melted, after evap there was nothing left so this must have been water, so I never got anything out of the mixture in the first place.

Again this being my 4rth time, I've tried everything, left it over night, shaking harder/longer, making naphta warm.

Even if I had poor MHRB, I wouldn't get zero yield.

I guess some of you get lucky if this comes easy to you, personally I find this extremely frustrating, I've spent countless hours on all of this and have nothing to show for it.
 
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How much root bark was used, and how much naptha does SWIY have?

Depending on how much of each, SWIY may just have WAY too much naptha. DMT freebase is still soluble in Naptha, even at low temparatures, if there is an abundant concentration of DMT in the naptha, it will crash out when the temperature lowers because the solubility lowers to the point where the naptha can't hold on to all of it any more.

My advice (without knowing SWIY's actual situation) is evap 50% of the naptha (preferably without using too much heat). Then try the freeze precip. Collect what fall out (if anything).

Then evaporate to 50% again and repeat the process until SWIY have so little naptha remaining that it's easier to evaporate it completely. What's left after the naptha remains contains DMT, but can be very impure. SWIY can redissolve and re-precip, or just say fuck it and smoke it.
 
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SuperRad said:
How much root bark was used, and how much naptha does SWIY have?

Depending on how much of each, SWIY may just have WAY too much naptha. DMT freebase is still soluble in Naptha, even at low temparatures, if there is an abundant concentration of DMT in the naptha, it will crash out when the temperature lowers because the solubility lowers to the point where the naptha can't hold on to all of it any more.

My advice (without knowing SWIY's actual situation) is evap 50% of the naptha (preferably without using too much heat). Then try the freeze precip. Collect what fall out (if anything).

Then evaporate to 50% again and repeat the process until SWIY have so little naptha remaining that it's easier to evaporate it completely. What's left after the naptha remains contains DMT, but can be very impure. SWIY can redissolve and re-precip, or just say fuck it and smoke it.
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50g MHRB, 20mL Naphta in one jar, 30mL each in the other two

I'm just reading the same shit over and over again, the evap got me nothing, thus proving I never had anything to begin with, the problem therefore is not the freeze precip, it's the initla extraction of the alkaloid.

So far, the only conclusion that makes sense, is the MHRB quality is so fucking low you can't extract ANY DMT out of it.

I got the MHRB from a vendor on ebay who has 33 reviews, all +, some even said the product was good, so I'm reallllllly lost right now.
 
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any last tips? I'm thinking of switching to VMnP Naphta and letting it sit for at least a day while stirring every hour, does this seem too extreme?

I've read some reports of people saying Ronsonal lighter fluid dosen't hold spice very well but then I also read people saying it does.

Noman's tech actually even says not to use lighter fluid, though it dosen't specify why.

I'm starting to think this could be it!
 
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Impeccable said:
I tried vigourous shaking with warm naphta for 5 mins, left for half a day, then tried shaking again while hot water was running on the bottle (to keep the naphta warm)
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To SWIY from SWIM: Your mixing & heating method is not good enough...running hot water over it does not suffice. I had the exact same problem with my first pull which was a big fat, ZERO. Then I heated the mason jar in a small pot filled half-way with water on an electric hot plate for two hours, let it cool to room temp. and the pull was a big success. Use a coffee machine or any electric cooking source, just don't use an open flame.

You need the contents of the jar to be thoroughly HOT, to where the jar is too hot to handle comfortably without gloves, but not too hot to where it's boiling or vaporizing inside. Once it gets HOT mix the contents by flipping the jar upside down/right side up repeatedly(and shake) for 1-2 min. every 10 minutes for an hour. Let the jar sit on the heat without mixing for the second hour to dissipate the emulsion. After that turn the heat off and let it go to room temp. You need to vent often and keep the lid snug tight when it's just sitting so that pressure stays low, and it's tight enough that solvent or aqueous solution doesn't escape. If your bark is good, the pH 13, and your aqueous solution fits the color description of what it should look like then this will work. I used Ronsonal lighter fluid so that's a non-issue.
 
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We need some new STB teks that address to overuse of Naphtha, the sludge formation from using too little water (and/or) adding the base too quickly, and possible a smaller scale conversion as well. I only mess with A/B so maybe a pro at STB's could undertake the task?

Any takers?????
 
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I haven't read through this entire thread yet, so this may have already been mentioned, but are you sure that the Mimosa bark you've got there isn't just bunk bark?

Other than that, I don't know what to tell you...it has always seemed like way too simple of a process to me.
I've always felt a bit guilty at how easy it is.
I'm not trying to make fun, I just mean that unless there isn't any alkaloids in the bark, or you are using substitutions for the lye & solvents, instead of the real things. I don't know how you couldn't get the spice to come on out.:?

Keep in mind, you are not "making" anything during this process, you are simply "extracting" the DMT.
Which is already in the plant material naturally.
All you are doing is removing the plant matter from around the alkaloids, then changing it from it's salt form (low pH - acid), to it's freebase form (high pH - base), so it can be vaporized without burning.


Were did you order it from? It wasn't Ebay was it?
I've heard a number of times about people getting screwed ordering from there.
Plus your orders all kept on record with your personal info.

Was the bark you ordered definitely labeled as: Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark?
With those exact words used?!?
Because there is another type of Mimosa that looks almost exactly the same but has no alkaloids in it!!
I don't remember the name right now, though it's usually sold as a decorative plant...if I remember correctly.
..."Mimosa-something else".


I remember seeing a site that sold it, as a "mysterious powerful plant teacher", or something like that. Never really mentioning anywhere...except in the small print at the bottom of the page...that it was not Mimosa-Hostilis & there was no alkaloids in it.
They had some great prices though!!:roll:

This was probably over a year or more ago & I don't remember who the vendor was, but I remember a few people getting ripped off & being a bit pissed that they didn't read the ad more closely!


After 4 tries...other than bad bark, or half-ass substitutions for the lye and/or solvent...I don't know what to tell you.


Good Luck to you!
WS
 
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Aye, warren. Impeccable got his bark from ebay. It is hardly possible to see what else could be wrong. There is truly no guarantee for quality and such; ebay mimosa is hit-or-miss.

Let this be lesson to those who are attracted to ebay mhrb in the past. Not that good mhrb cannot be bought from ebay, just I've never heard of such a thing!
 
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warrensaged said:
After 4 tries...other than bad bark, or half-ass substitutions for the lye and/or solvent...I don't know what to tell you.

Good Luck to you!
WS
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I got the lye from Home Depot it says
"Lye crystals, free flowing, multi purpose cleaner"
 
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^ The lye you got, is it pure white, or are there colored particles in it. Frequently aluminum shavings are added to create heat and unclog drains quicker. I've also seen some that look like it has cupric sulfate in it, no idea why.

If you have any bark left, try an A/B extraction on it and see if you get anything. Other than that I have no idea other than bunk bark. I have a hard time believing that, as I've never had bark that didn't yield xtals. I've had bark that yielded xtals that were bunk, but never a no yield extraction.
 
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Impeccable said:
I got the lye from Home Depot it says
"Lye crystals, free flowing, multi purpose cleaner"
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Does it say "Contains...Lye Crystals?
Or can you find "100% Lye Crystals?" on the label somewhere?

Because if it only contains lye, whatever the other stuff it contains is, could be stealing your spice.
Draino "contains" lye...but I would never use it to basify an extraction!!!

Once again though, I would guess you'd still yield something. So it comes back to bunk bark in my mind.
How much of it did you order?

BTW, could you remind me how much bark was used in this extraction?
Was it whole, or pre-powdered Mimosa Hostils? -- If whole, how well did you powder it before starting the extraction?

WS
 
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NaOH is getting harder and harder to find in local stores. Meth cookers have ruined that for us.

Alternatives need to be explored. KOH, Sodium Carbonate, etc... Most of these would probably work with A/B's but STBs really require a strong base like NaOH.

Using anything but pure NaOH (or reasonably close to pure) is not a smart move. You could end up with something in your final product that isn't so good for you.

If you do buy lye online, please, please, please only order small amounts of it at a time.
 
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yeah swim was pissed when lowes stopped carrying it. Swim doesnt want to order it online at all. Only one chain store left near him that carries it. (keeping fingers crossed)
 
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