Cause and Effect: Psychedelics

[Darkbb]

I was watching Bones on TV and the subject of cause and effect was being talked about.

I've never thought about it but thoughts have no cause and effect, right?

So the psychedelic experience is either all in our heads or another reality.
If you believe in heaven and hell, which is the psychedelic experience? Is it heaven or hell.
If it is neither what is it?
What would this reality have to do with ours and why does it exist?
Personally I believe it is all in our heads, if it isn't all in our heads then there must be another entirely separate reality made specifically for the psychedelic experience.
Since the experience often involves both good & evil I doubt it could be either heaven or hell.

Please feel free to express your opinion.

 

[azrael]

didn't Bones cause you to think about this? is this post an effect? was Bones in your head before tonight? is it now? is the memory of the tv show you experienced now in your head?

why does our reality exist? to wonder why others might? do realities need a purpose to exist? could 'purpose' be considered an occasional bonus to any existence?

To fathom hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic.

What's a bad trip in heaven like?



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This is a very personal post, but I would love to develop the thought with anybody who is interested.
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I currently choose to believe that our consensus reality is the intersection of many other realities.

Let's say there's three realities as an example: {a,b,c}. Picture them as a venn diagram with each overlapping and having unique spaces, so we have seven possible spaces to be in: {a,b,c,ab,ac,bc,abc}.

If you are strictly in a then you are not in any reality containing the letters b or c, if you are strictly in ab then you are not in any form of c, etc.

To generally be in ab allows you to also be in abc, to generally be in c is to allow you to also be in ac or bc or abc but not ab. This is to say that each letter is a limiting factor on where you can be.

To be in abc is to be in a and ab and b and bc and ac and c all at once, but you must be in all of them at the same time.

Suppose our perceptions of consensus reality are limited to viewing only what is strictly in abc. Then suppose psychedelics allow us to generalize our perception of the other six unique, but not entirely separate, realities by removing the letters as limiting filters.

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It's possible for events to occur strictly in a and never effect b. It's also possible that events in a will trigger a chain reaction that leads to events in ab unfolding, extending into b, further into bc, causing something in c which effects ac that eventually reaches some other point in a - all the way around the limits of our perception without ever being directly perceivable by any of us here in abc. Perhaps some cause-effect ripples would seep in to abc, but that's not always necessarily the case.

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Now take a moment to consider what would happen if we added d. What new intersections would arise? What if we hadn't discovered a method of generalizing our perception to view any form of d and were still bound to the generalized abc?

And then add e, f, g, ..., z. And then A, B, C, ... , Z. Further adding: 1, 2, 3, ..., n. We may not be in the intersection of all possible realities, there may exist realities which are much more limited than our own.

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Now Nexians, visualize what the seemingly impossible dimensions of hyperspace could do with these dimensions and intersections - how strange and complex could all of this become?

 

[Kartikay]

I've never thought about it but thoughts have no cause and effect, right?

Thoughts have both cause and effect. You see something, you think about it. You think about the pizza in your fridge, you get hungry.

 

[Kartikay]

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This is a very personal post, but I would love to develop the thought with anybody who is interested.
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I currently choose to believe that our consensus reality is the intersection of many other realities.

Let's say there's three realities as an example: {a,b,c}. Picture them as a venn diagram with each overlapping and having unique spaces, so we have seven possible spaces to be in: {a,b,c,ab,ac,bc,abc}.

If you are strictly in a then you are not in any reality containing the letters b or c, if you are strictly in ab then you are not in any form of c, etc.

To generally be in ab allows you to also be in abc, to generally be in c is to allow you to also be in ac or bc or abc but not ab. This is to say that each letter is a limiting factor on where you can be.

To be in abc is to be in a and ab and b and bc and ac and c all at once, but you must be in all of them at the same time.

Suppose our perceptions of consensus reality are limited to viewing only what is strictly in abc. Then suppose psychedelics allow us to generalize our perception of the other six unique, but not entirely separate, realities.

***

It's possible for events to occur strictly in a and never effect b. It's also possible that events in a will trigger a chain reaction that leads to events in ab unfolding, extending into b, further into bc, causing something in c which effects ac that eventually reaches some other point in a - all the way around the limits of our perception without ever being directly perceivable by any of us here in abc. Perhaps some cause-effect ripples would seep in to abc, but that's not always necessarily the case.

^^^

Now take a moment to consider what would happen if we added d. What new intersections would arise? What if we hadn't discovered a method of generalizing our perception to view any form of d and were still bound to the generalized abc?

And then add e, f, g, ..., z. And then A, B, C, ... , Z. Further adding: 1, 2, 3, ..., n. We may not be in the intersection of all possible realities, there may exist realities which are much more limited than our own.

!!!

Now Nexians, visualize what the seemingly impossible dimensions of hyperspace could do with these dimensions and intersections - how strange and complex could all of this become?

Sure, that's definitely possible. Current string theory says there are at least 11 dimensions, right? As for your last question, I think its clear that hyperspace is very complex lol.

 

[jamie]

"Personally I believe it is all in our heads, if it isn't all in our heads then there must be another entirely separate reality made specifically for the psychedelic experience."

Well...why? Why does that mean it was made specifically for the psychedelic experience? culdnt it just be sort of random occurance that these neurotransmitters allow us to decifer other sensory info that is already out there?..psychedelic experience is just a word some man made up.

And what if ALL of our experience is just in our heads?..i mean, in a way it is..we see and experience everyting from the angle that our neuro-chemistry allows us..so what is "out there" is most likely not exactly the way we percieve it anyway..its all run through a filter and modified, accomidated to our survival requirements and otherwise..

 

[۩]

The universal scaffolding of consciousness weaves through your head.
Try to wrap it around that one.
All life connected.

 

[Darkbb]

Thank you for the insight.