Chaliponga extraction tek green spice but successful

[flyboy]

Swim used this tech, copied from another site, product was indeed too green(!) spice and therefore potency was lost due per weight, but overall swim feels for only 60g chaliponga at $20 the 100-150 or so mg were was strong enough evidence the spice is abundantly in there.

(Had swim more than he would have washed and cleaned but wanted to try GREEN spice once for the sake of al gore david suzuki and every environmentalist who'll ask me to donate cash for the rest of my life for the GREEN cause)

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Any standard Mimosa A/B tech works for Psychotria viridis. Just make sure to defat the leaves. Also, make sure the initial extraction is done in hot/boiling water and not some other solvent. The leaves contain lots of chlorophyll which is insoluble in water, but soluble in most other solvents like alcohol, naphtha, ether, acetone, etc. If the initial extraction is done in something like alcohol there will be a ton of chlorophyll present that will be very hard to remove.

When basifying, you only need pH 9.5. Psychotria viridis doesn’t have those nasty Mimosa emulsions to deal with, so there’s no need for those extremely high pH values used when basifying Mimosa.

100 gram Psychotria viridis extraction

1. Cover the leafs in 1 liter of water, add 1000 mg of citric acid, and boil for 15 minutes. Pour off the water and save it.
2. Cover the leafs in 1 liter of water and boil for 15 minutes. Pour off the water and save it.
3. Cover the leafs in 1 liter of water and boil for 15 minutes. Pour off the water and save it.
4. Filter the combined water and boil it down to about 300 ml.
5. Defat 5 times with 100 ml of naphtha (or 3 times with xylene followed by 2 times with naphtha) in a separatory funnel. If the last defat is not clear, defat again until it is clear.
6. Adjust the pH to 9.5 with sodium carbonate (or sodium hydroxide, or ammonia).
7. Extract 3 times with 100 ml of naphtha in a separatory funnel.
8. Evaporate the naphtha completely at room temperature to give DMT.

If you used Hawaiian Psychotria viridis you’ll end up with about 300 mg of DMT. If you used regular Psychotria viridis you’ll end up with about 100 mg of DMT.

If the remaining product is greenish, there’s still chlorophyll present because you didn’t defat enough. You can still freeze precipitate as with Mimosa to purify the DMT. Another way to remove any chlorophyll that made it into the final product is to mix 50 ml of water with 1000 mg of citric acid and dissolve the DMT in it. The chlorophyll will not dissolve in the water. Bring the water to pH 9.5 with sodium carbonate and extract 3 times with 25 ml of naphtha. Evaporate the naphtha and you’ll be left with nearly pure DMT.

Note that heptane works better than naphtha at extracting DMT, freeze precipitating it, and it also evaporates faster than naphtha. But neither solvent will extract DMT N-Oxide. If you want to extract DMT N-Oxide as well then use dichloromethane, ether, or chloroform instead of naphtha or heptane. This way you get all the DMT as well as the DMT N-Oxide. When you freeze precipitate the DMT in heptane or naphtha, the DMT N-Oxide will not dissolve in the solvent and will sink to the bottom as yellow oil. So before freezing the solvent, pour it into another container leaving behind all the yellow DMT N-Oxide oil. This way you can freeze precipitate the DMT to get pure DMT, and still use the yellow oily DMT N-Oxide which is also hallucinogenic.

The problem with DMT N-Oxide is that it is an oil that won’t crystallize. However, an easy way to make use of the left over yellow DMT N-Oxide oil is to add calcium carbonate to it at a 10:1 ratio of calcium carbonate to DMT N-Oxide by weight. Add a little acetone to the oil to dissolve it and mix it with the calcium carbonate. Let the acetone evaporate off and you have DMT N-Oxide infused onto calcium carbonate. The calcium carbonate will prevent the DMT N-Oxide from sticking together creating a fine free flowing powder from the oil. It’s safe to vaporize. The calcium carbonate won’t vaporize, but the DMT N-Oxide will.

 

[69ron]

Did SWIY test out the final product for activity yet? If so, how was it?

 

[flyboy]

CRAP!!! Thanks for asking.

With with only 60g of chaliponga and split the yield into 3 tries because he was afraid of the stories he had heard about 5meo freak outs, I don't believe he consumed it properly.

Now that he's seen crystal out of it though (was second try, first total failure because no defat) he will try 300-500 chali next and defat with xylene to get rid of the final bit of green... am determined to see a non-mhrb extraction through to similar results as mhrb.

 

[69ron]

That tech works best if you use DCM.

You NEED TO DEFAT A LOT! Seriously! Without a defat you'll get mostly just chlorophyll. Chlorophyll will compete with the DMT for the NP solvent. So you need to get rid of it with plenty of defats or the yields will be extremely crappy.

Keep in mind that this is a leafy plant and as such it has tons of N-Oxides, and those don’t get extracted if you use naphtha. Sometimes it only has N-Oxides and so extracting with naphtha will not work sometimes. In such a case you’ll need to use chloroform, ether, dichloromethane (DCM) or something similar. DCM is actually quite easy to buy OTC if you know where to look for it. SWIM always uses DCM to extract DMT. He only uses naphtha for freeze precipitating DMT, never for extracting it because it can’t extract DMT N-Oxide, and some plants contain far more DMT N-Oxide than DMT.

 

[flyboy]

Thanks for the advice Ron, dcm for the defatting or also for the extraction?

its easy to find but man it stinks plus takes forever to evap, whats the secret?

was there any point trying with only 60g of chaliponga, what is the minim should try next time (if you think its even worth it or is it almost futile without a soxhlet?).

I was hoping for a different sort of experience because of the 5meo apparently present.

 

[Garulfo]

A friend of mine had 140 g of chaliponga. He somehow followed the tek above, using hcl instead citric acid (PH=2.5).
3 soaks in hot aciditic water.

Waters were collected, but instead of numerous xylene washes, my friend preferred *one* naphta wash in the hot soup.
Basified then added 250 ml of naphta for a first pull. Reduced naphta to 50 ml and freeze preciped.

The first yield is very low : 150 mg. But the crystals are almost pure white, looking like the puriest DMT crystals my friend get from MHRB. 150 is very few (0.1% ) but he bet that he will be able to gather more with some hot naphta pulls. One naphta wash seemed enough to get white stuff tough :surprised

Bioassay will follow to evaluate the differences with MHRB DMT...

 

[Viracocha]

With using green leaf material i'd strongly suggest you do a freeze precipitation rather than evaporation of the solvent to recover your spice. That way a lot of the chlorophylly oils will stay in the Naptha, while the DMT will precipitate out.

 

[acolon_5]

A friend of mine had 140 g of chaliponga. He somehow followed the tek above, using hcl instead citric acid (PH=2.5).
3 soaks in hot aciditic water.

Waters were collected, but instead of numerous xylene washes, my friend preferred *one* naphta wash in the hot soup.
Basified then added 250 ml of naphta for a first pull. Reduced naphta to 50 ml and freeze preciped.

The first yield is very low : 150 mg. But the crystals are almost pure white, looking like the puriest DMT crystals my friend get from MHRB. 150 is very few (0.1% ) but he bet that he will be able to gather more with some hot naphta pulls. One naphta wash seemed enough to get white stuff tough :surprised

Bioassay will follow to evaluate the differences with MHRB DMT...

I am very interested to hear about these bioassays. Please let us know about it.

 

[69ron]

Thanks for the advice Ron, dcm for the defatting or also for the extraction?

Defat and extract with it to get the best yield. But freeze precipitate in heptane or naphtha to get really pure results.

its easy to find but man it stinks plus takes forever to evap, whats the secret?

was there any point trying with only 60g of chaliponga, what is the minim should try next time (if you think its even worth it or is it almost futile without a soxhlet?).

With 60 grams you should net about 300 mg. About 200 should be DMT and about 100 should be 5-MeO-DMT. Most of SWIM’s chaliponga is like that. If you’re not getting yields like that, your chaliponga is probably not good quality. Try a different vendor with fresher leaves.

A Soxhlet is GREAT! It will increase yields up to 30% over the typical “boiling 3 times in acidic water” method. But you should still get really decent yields with just boiling it 3 times in acidic water.

I was hoping for a different sort of experience because of the 5meo apparently present.

If you smoke it, it’s quite DMT-like. If you take it orally with an MAOI, it’s also quite DMT-like. But if you snort it or take it sublingually then you only feel the 5-MeO-DMT in it. The reason is that 5-MeO-DMT is highly active sublingually or by snorting it. For example, 10 mg of 5-MeO-DMT snorted is about as potent as 150 mg of DMT snorted. But when taken orally or smoked, the potency difference isn’t that big. When smoked, 5-MeO-DMT is only about 5 times more potent than DMT. But when snorted, 5-MeO-DMT is about 15 times more potent than DMT. 10 mg of snorted 5-MeO-DMT is enough for good effects, but 10 mg of snorted DMT will do absolutely nothing! For DMT you need at least 100 mg when snorting it or you won’t feel much at all from it. 100 mg of 5-MeO-DMT snorted would be a near overdose.

So bottom line, if you want a 5-MeO-DMT experience from chaliponga, you need to snort it or take it sublingually. If you use it any other way, the DMT is strong enough that you’ll feel the effects of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT together, which is quite different from the 5-MeO-DMT only effect you’ll get from snorting it or taking it sublingually (under the tongue).

 

[flyboy]

you said SWIY always uses DCM to extract DMT. He only uses naphtha for freeze precipitating DMT, never for extracting it because it can’t extract DMT N-Oxide, and some plants contain far more DMT N-Oxide than DMT.

But i thought the solvent that extracts is the same stuff we put in the freezer? Oh wait.. swims brain might be working for once: extract into dcm, combine with naptha, let separate, siphon naptha off, stick natpha in jar and freeze that?

Should citric acid be added to each liter of water or only the first, the tek didn't say
And when defatting should he shake the container in order to ensure the dcm contacts as much fats as possible, or just stir it milldly?

swim put dcm in to defat it bubbled a lot and spit up some green chloryphyl solid gummy to the top of the jar where it stuck, as a gel type stuff.. looked like spiderwebs almost...what happened, added dcm too fast? is that emulsion that shot up? should he let that settle in or remove?