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Changa joints... WOW!

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heavenlypursuit

heavenlypursuit

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I saw an earlier thread in here about changa joints, but after SWIM's experiences, he felt he had to open a new topic.

Changa joints are AWESOOOOOOOOOOOOOME!!!!

They are exactly what I've been looking for. Sometimes SWIM just can't commit to a blast off, and have been looking for a nice way to have control over the situation, rather than simply low dosing.

First one was 150mg electric sheep, mixed with 400mg of peppermint/mullein. It was fantastic. Felt like we could go as deep as we wanted, or not. Definitely creeps up on you though, so don't get too bold if those are not your intentions. SWIM's buddies felt the same way, they were totally raving about it.

Next we tried 160mg mullein, mixed in 300 mg plain mullein, to up the dose a bit. Mission accomplished, but still had control.

Last one was 160 mg calea, mixed with 270 mg mullein. WOW! After about 3 rips SWIM went outside and was absorbed into the night sky. No ego death, I just felt one with everything, with a body buzz only something divine could create.

After these glorious joints, any pre-flight anxiety was gone, so we decided to blast off with some electric sheep out of a bubbler. So beautiful! Pure love and joy.

Unbelievable night my friends, I love the Nexus, and the wonderful molecule it supports!
 
Maybe I should try one of these to ease into the experience... I am getting some hectic pre-flight and in-flight fear. So much so that I almost chucked all my DMT and rootbark and pharma and rue and stuff into the toilet while coming down from a scary experience...
 
I remember my first hit, in the throws of it i said im never ever touching it again, if your gonna do it i highly recommend starting slow, even if you have a big hit in your pipe, take the start of it slow, let it kick in a bit, then if you feel like it finish off the bowl... i had people telling me just go for it bigtime on the first hit, i think they are pretty stupid to have given me that horrible advice

Im making changa with half of my yield from my first extraction, it sounds like the best way to go...
 
Aren’t enhanced leaf joints a huge waste of DMT? (Waste in the sense that you need a large amount of DMT to reach desired effects compared to other methods of administration – not in the sense that the experience isn’t rewarding.)

Pre-dosing sublingually with about 10mg harmala alkaloids followed by about 15-20mg vaporized DMT will take me about as far as you describe (just short of a breakthrough).
 
gibran2 said:
Aren’t enhanced leaf joints a huge waste of DMT? (Waste in the sense that you need a large amount of DMT to reach desired effects compared to other methods of administration – not in the sense that the experience isn’t rewarding.)
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IME, yes. I had a changa joint with ~275mg of DMT and it and couldn't breakthrough. It was superduper trippy for sure, but not what I was looking for. (a few days later had a complete ego-death religious experience with ~70mg freebase smoked properly in a pipe)

Too each their own I guess, but seemed like a waste to me for sure..
 
hyperspacing said:
As long as you enjoy yourself its never a waste. :d

Use that spice up!! Extracting more is half the fun.
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If you can enjoy yourself just as much using 1/10 as much DMT or less, then it is a waste. (But I must admit: although DMT is not addictive, extracting it sure is!)
 
I'm sorry, I meant to call them infused joints, was too excited last night.
I will be rolling up some real changa joints tonight with caapi. SWIM has about 15 different kinds of infused blends, once he started making different combos, he couldn't stop!

And these joints are not a waste of dmt. I love breaking through, but sometimes I like a more controlled, trippy ass experience. The joints do that perfectly. If you want to break through right away, this is not the method for you. If you want to ease into the experience on your own pace, try these infused joints, you won't be disappointed. And like I said, after one of these joints there were no more preflight anxiety. My buds and I all took breakthrough doses of some infused leaf out of a bubbler after the joints. All those journeys were great because we were all on cloud 9 before blastoff.

To each his own, but if you're looking to work with spice again, but have too much pre-flight anxiety ( a problem I had after a few pretty rough trips), I would highly recommend trying this method. Make your first joint weak, like 140 mg spice, to 400 mg inert herb, like mullein, then start changing the ratios as you get bolder. I bet you could damn near breatkthrough if the joint was ALL infused leaf. Might be trying that soon! :lol:
 
I forgot about that part...man..I couldn't get the smell of burnt spice of my hand for like 2 days! I tried washing it with IPA, naptha, every soap in my house.. *shudder*
 
gibran2 said:
hyperspacing said:
As long as you enjoy yourself its never a waste. :d

Use that spice up!! Extracting more is half the fun.
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If you can enjoy yourself just as much using 1/10 as much DMT or less, then it is a waste. (But I must admit: although DMT is not addictive, extracting it sure is!)
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I know exactly what you're saying gibran, but there is more to the experience smoking a joint, then predosing subligually and vaping a small amount of spice. Believe me, I enjoy sublingual harmala/vape method when I'm alone. But, with a group of 3 friends, passing a joint around is way more communal than measuring 3 separate doses of harmala, then measuring 3 doses of spice, then giving it to everybody one at a time. I also plan to go hiking with one of these joints, seems much easier to me than carrying my spice, torch and machine on my person. In the end, it's SWIM's spice, he extracted it, so he can do what he pleases to enjoy it. As long as you're working with it, it's never a waste of spice unless you flush it down the toilet IMHO. :d
 
aloneits said:
I forgot about that part...man..I couldn't get the smell of burnt spice of my hand for like 2 days! I tried washing it with IPA, naptha, every soap in my house.. *shudder*
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Washed with naptha and IPA? Try buying better soap, one shower for me, and no more smell.
 
Buying better soap? I assure you, my soap is fine the smell of burning spice just doesn't come off, and its a terrible smell imo..

If your goal is to get a group of people high then a changa joint is probaly your best bet, personally I journey alone. Also, my goal is a breakthrough -- and I wasn't able to breakthrough at all smoking many times a breakthrough dose (almost 300mg of material)

Changa joints may have their places, but for my needs they just don't cut it.
 
Well, I assure you, the smell of the infused leaf, came right off after one shower, as it always does for me. And IPA and naptha a better smell than burnt spice? I find that a little hard to swallow.

I prefer to journey alone too, but love gifting friends when they ask, and this was a great way. My goal is simply to work with the spice, sometimes breakthrough, sometimes not. Also, sometimes I have rough trips that keep me away for a while. These joints and other low dose methods helped me get through those periods of hesitation. I had not broke through for almost two months based on the hesitation from a bad trip, but after a couple of these joints, I loaded up a full calea infused bowl and ripped it in one go. Amazing breakthough, with none of the weirdness that sometimes seems to accompany the journey, just pure euphoria.
 
heavenlypursuit said:
Well, I assure you, the smell of the infused leaf, came right off after one shower, as it always does for me. And IPA and naptha a better smell than burnt spice? I find that a little hard to swallow.

I prefer to journey alone too, but love gifting friends when they ask, and this was a great way. My goal is simply to work with the spice, sometimes breakthrough, sometimes not. Also, sometimes I have rough trips that keep me away for a while. These joints and other low dose methods helped me get through those periods of hesitation. I had not broke through for almost two months based on the hesitation from a bad trip, but after a couple of these joints, I loaded up a full calea infused bowl and ripped it in one go. Amazing breakthough, with none of the weirdness that sometimes seems to accompany the journey, just pure euphoria.
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Seems like I must go get me some rolling papers.
 
Yes, they do waste DMT, but they are a very different experience than that full power you get from hitting the bong/GVG/machine.

I havent smoked one in a long time, but I do have very fond memories of it( apart from the horrible smell).

At the end of the day all that matters is what you bring back from the experince.
 
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