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Changa with Salvinorin A and Caapi?
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What’s salvia freebase? I’ve never heard of that.
Eaglepath
I rather root my values in my own hallucinations t
Salvinorin A – Wikipedia
There you go my friend
You seem to have experience..
I tried this before, salvia tends to be very sharp, awkward, obtuse. DMT seemed to 'lubricate' the salvia space.. it was one of my more comfortable experiences.
Nereus
Rising Star
Eaglepath said:You mean you used a mix of Salvia alkaloids, Caapi and spice all together? Jeezes! haha
Tell me more.. Please!
Salvinorin A-B are not alkaloids. You already posted a link to a definition yourself. There is a big difference. Not to be confused.
Ime, if you have no Sally experience, but still want it as admixture in a smoking blend, just go with plain leaf added along other leafs or herbs and admixtures of your choice. That should suffice more than needed. Salvia extracts can be quite powerful when smoked given the fact that a treshold dose is around 500µg.
Just my two cents.
Nereus
Rising Star
On another note I would highly, highly advise doing this with great care and safety. Given the power of each individual substance you are talking about, a combined ingestion of all, if not done properly and under the right conditions, can result in negative outcome. Ime this would not suit the novice.
an interesting german video has mentioned this combination. Its said to smoke some (160mg) salvia leaves in DMT deepspace. But with no MAOI. Its about that the DMT symbols the potential. Salvia let you forget everything and opens a black world, a new blank universe, which can be filled. This combinations sounds pretty amazing.
Eaglepath
I rather root my values in my own hallucinations t
Novice... hmm...
I have a lot of experience with Ayahuasca, changa and spice... Im working with it several times per week.... Also with private settings.. You are warm welcome my friend
I have experience with Salvia smoked leafs.. Will try to chew them soon too..
I was just curious to combine these powerful medicines into one blend in these pure forms... Just interesting...
So if someone has experience I would highly appreciate the feedback..
I have a lot of experience with Ayahuasca, changa and spice... Im working with it several times per week.... Also with private settings.. You are warm welcome my friend
I have experience with Salvia smoked leafs.. Will try to chew them soon too..
I was just curious to combine these powerful medicines into one blend in these pure forms... Just interesting...
So if someone has experience I would highly appreciate the feedback..
Nereus
Rising Star
Eaglepath said:Novice... hmm...
I have a lot of experience with Ayahuasca, changa and spice... Im working with it several times per week.... Also with private settings.. You are warm welcome my friend
I have experience with Salvia smoked leafs.. Will try to chew them soon too..
I was just curious to combine these powerful medicines into one blend in these pure forms... Just interesting...
So if someone has experience I would highly appreciate the feedback..
My intention was not a rude one, I am sorry for the misunderstanding.
Just remember, for future posts, that this is a harm reduction based forum and threads started here should at all times keep such an outline. I was just reading your previous introductory post in which you do not provide much of the background you have presented here. Since the conclusion.
I know that salvia leaf has been a more daring admixture to changa blends, for a good while too.
The deoxy website has this changa information up for quite some time now. Some things are outdated, but it seems that people have been adding salvia leaf to their tryptamine infusion ever since. :thumb_up:
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Eaglepath
I rather root my values in my own hallucinations t
No don´t worry. I hear what you are saying! I am old with the medicine but young with the forum. Happy to be here!
I have now in this moment a changa blend with both added leaves and 10:1 ratio of both Caapi and Salvia infusion in the leaves. As you display below.
I have not tried it yet but of course will and get back with the result
But again it is not to add Salvia leaves that I am curious about, it is to add the synthesized version of Salvinorin A to the mix.
I am old with the medicine but young with the forum. Happy to be here!I have now in this moment a changa blend with both added leaves and 10:1 ratio of both Caapi and Salvia infusion in the leaves. As you display below.
I have not tried it yet but of course will and get back with the result
But again it is not to add Salvia leaves that I am curious about, it is to add the synthesized version of Salvinorin A to the mix.
You mean isolated salvinorin A. Salvinorin A isn't an alcaloid, but like the n,n DMT alcaloid, it is rather extracted , as readily available. I think you are confusing isolate and synthetic.
I certainly done that kind of mix too. But it's far now and I don't remember is the low salvinorin A dose in changa would add something... Probably did I add only a small pinch.
How do you dose your changa ? Bong ? GVG ? Because salvinorin A is much milder un GVG now as it has higher vaporisation point ( something I didn't really aknowledge at the time ).
I certainly done that kind of mix too. But it's far now and I don't remember is the low salvinorin A dose in changa would add something... Probably did I add only a small pinch.
How do you dose your changa ? Bong ? GVG ? Because salvinorin A is much milder un GVG now as it has higher vaporisation point ( something I didn't really aknowledge at the time ).
Eaglepath
I rather root my values in my own hallucinations t
Yes exactly, I know it´s not an alkaloid, my beginner chemist mind could just not find the right term here haha.. Freebase, terpentine, Synthesized bla bla.... To define: The strong little micro molecule thing extracted from Salvia Divinorum which makes hard headed psychonauts pale..
It´s interesting that you have experience.. Maybe we need to escalade "the pinch" in the future to see where you could go
I experimenting with different mixes... At the moment: spice, 20-30*Caapi infused Caapi and Damiana. This is something I work with a lot together with Aya and pure lalala... The ratio is 1.1.1.
I also have a mix with 5*infused Salvia, 10*infused Caapi, Spice. 0,5 .0,5 .0,5. And as I understand you then it´s best to keep the bong to keep the heat!
I have used the VG for both changa and spice after trying a lot of approach. In the end I find the best method to use changa in a little bong that can hold much water with a narrow inhalation pipe. Same bong with spice but the sandwich method. I need to try the gvg sometime, the main problem I found with the vg was that I did not see the smoke. Also to balance the equlibrium between the sucking and fireing...
To define: The strong little micro molecule thing extracted from Salvia Divinorum which makes hard headed psychonauts pale.. It´s interesting that you have experience.. Maybe we need to escalade "the pinch" in the future to see where you could go
I experimenting with different mixes... At the moment: spice, 20-30*Caapi infused Caapi and Damiana. This is something I work with a lot together with Aya and pure lalala... The ratio is 1.1.1.
I also have a mix with 5*infused Salvia, 10*infused Caapi, Spice. 0,5 .0,5 .0,5. And as I understand you then it´s best to keep the bong to keep the heat!
I have used the VG for both changa and spice after trying a lot of approach. In the end I find the best method to use changa in a little bong that can hold much water with a narrow inhalation pipe. Same bong with spice but the sandwich method. I need to try the gvg sometime, the main problem I found with the vg was that I did not see the smoke. Also to balance the equlibrium between the sucking and fireing...
Eaglepath
I rather root my values in my own hallucinations t
It´s a B version too... hmm
Erowid Salvinorin B Ethoxymethyl Ether Vault: First Look at a New Psychoactive Drug: Symmetry (salvinorin B ethoxymethyl ether)
'First Look at a New Psychoactive Drug: Symmetry (salvinorin B ethoxymethyl ether)', by Dr. Mercury and Dr. Feelodd.
erowid.org
MultiDimensionalTherapy
Rising Star
one of the best changas i ever did had that mixture:
30% white fluffy spice
20% mhrb full spectrum extract (mexican mhrb, since all the 5x extracts i added where mexican plants)
20% of caapi fb extract
30% of a mix of 5x salvia extract, 5x sinuichi extract, and 5x calea zacatechichi extract
that was mixed with the same weight in herbs, being those the same i used for the extracts: powdered mhrb, caapi leaves, calea, sinuichi, salvia and a bit of mint leaves.
after many experiments with those ingredients, those are the proportions i found them to be more sinergetic. a bit more salvia and she will take over the experience, a bit less and i wouldnt feel her. with these ratios i could even feel clearly the effect of sinuichi and calea present.
caapi defitly gives a smoother character to the experience, and somehow i could see and feel all the medicines in diferent layers, in a grounded experience. without caapi it allways felt like a chaotic hurricane, and the realms it took me, where most of the times kinda strange and sort of low vibe. and the best of having caapi is that you can start low, and smoalk moar if you feel it wasnt enough, wich is really good to keep things safe when experimeting with such powerfull mixtures, also building your way up will give you a more grounded experience, in wich you can take back much more to the concrete levels of the mind, in opposition to a very fast, very strong experience.
all best
30% white fluffy spice
20% mhrb full spectrum extract (mexican mhrb, since all the 5x extracts i added where mexican plants)
20% of caapi fb extract
30% of a mix of 5x salvia extract, 5x sinuichi extract, and 5x calea zacatechichi extract
that was mixed with the same weight in herbs, being those the same i used for the extracts: powdered mhrb, caapi leaves, calea, sinuichi, salvia and a bit of mint leaves.
after many experiments with those ingredients, those are the proportions i found them to be more sinergetic. a bit more salvia and she will take over the experience, a bit less and i wouldnt feel her. with these ratios i could even feel clearly the effect of sinuichi and calea present.
caapi defitly gives a smoother character to the experience, and somehow i could see and feel all the medicines in diferent layers, in a grounded experience. without caapi it allways felt like a chaotic hurricane, and the realms it took me, where most of the times kinda strange and sort of low vibe. and the best of having caapi is that you can start low, and smoalk moar if you feel it wasnt enough, wich is really good to keep things safe when experimeting with such powerfull mixtures, also building your way up will give you a more grounded experience, in wich you can take back much more to the concrete levels of the mind, in opposition to a very fast, very strong experience.
all best
Eaglepath
I rather root my values in my own hallucinations t
Seems interesting and exciting!
White fluffy spice? extracted using marhmallows?
I had a mix similar I remember.. but without the 5* of calea and sinuichi. Just the normal leaves. I use to mix white crystals with some more yellow and some goo... So i probably get at least close to the mhrb full extract as well. Im just curious to get some more experience with Salvia in the mix. So I will try to balance a batch similar to yours.! I also have one now laying around, trying soon.
I fully agree with the Caapi. Total different. I usually start with Ayahuasca, then Changa and some pure spice between, in as you said, a kind of building steam approach. It is very powerful and efficient. I prefer a high dose of Caapi, to the lips gets numb
And as you say, without it.... Hurricane yes I agree.. You can steer and understand more with Caapi in the picture, so it is preferable if you working with therapy.
Blessings!
White fluffy spice? extracted using marhmallows?
I had a mix similar I remember.. but without the 5* of calea and sinuichi. Just the normal leaves. I use to mix white crystals with some more yellow and some goo... So i probably get at least close to the mhrb full extract as well. Im just curious to get some more experience with Salvia in the mix. So I will try to balance a batch similar to yours.! I also have one now laying around, trying soon.
I fully agree with the Caapi. Total different. I usually start with Ayahuasca, then Changa and some pure spice between, in as you said, a kind of building steam approach. It is very powerful and efficient. I prefer a high dose of Caapi, to the lips gets numb
And as you say, without it.... Hurricane yes I agree.. You can steer and understand more with Caapi in the picture, so it is preferable if you working with therapy.
Blessings!