Christian Mysticism and Church

[alpharex]

anyone else in here into Christian Mysticism? Tonight I am listening to the Tao of Christ.

Also, has anyone else thought of founding a church for official protections?

also, did yall see the EO trump signed today on Iboga and other psychedelics? I cried.

 

[Mitakuye Oyasin]

I'm an amateur, but interested in the subject. How is the podcast? The EO is very hopeful. I've been advocating for Iboga therapy since TMK talked about it decades ago. Hopefully this will open some doors for many people who need it.

 

[blig-blug]

A reminder that discussion of politics isn't allowed in the Nexus: No politics

This EO and its implications can be discussed, but it's necessary that the discussions steers clear of focusing on politics and politicians. This is an example of how not to go about it: Trump orders $50M research into psychedelic drugs, including ibogaine, for PTSD, TBI

I'm saying this preemptively here, before the discussion gets a chance to turn towards politics.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Also, has anyone else thought of founding a church for official protections?

There are a few already, The Divine Assembly and the IDMT Church.

One love

 

[Jamie01]

No. Pretty turned off by Christianity if I am being fully honest. I think it’s an improvement upon some other Abrahamic religions but generally not into them 3.

I think the evangelicals and zionists have forever tainted any interest I may have had in religion lol.

 

[Voidmatrix]

No. Pretty turned off by Christianity if I am being fully honest. I think it’s an improvement upon some other Abrahamic religions but generally not into them 3.

I think the evangelicals and zionists have forever tainted any interest I may have had in religion lol.

How do you feel about Christian Gnosticism?

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[Jamie01]

I don’t know. I feel like it reads like ancient science fiction to be honest.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I don’t know. I feel like it reads like ancient science fiction to be honest.

Gnosticism does? Interesting.

I find it appealing in that it focuses more on looking within and finding heaven in and around us, rather than just focusing on how someone brutally sacrificed themselves and died and then rose from the dead.

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[Jamie01]

Well, so mean there is a whole lot more to it than that.

 

[Jamie01]

*I mean

 

[Jamie01]

Don’t get me wrong I like Gnosticism as an idea. I heavy romanticized about it for a good while but you must admit it makes more sense if you can allow for aliens or inter dimensional beings. Gnosticism is pretty strange already and arguably might predate christ.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Christian Gnosticism came around the second century AD.

but you must admit it makes more sense if you can allow for aliens or inter dimensional beings.

I think this heavily depends on predicate assumptions about reality whether the religious scope or the interplanetary/alien scope makes more sense.

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[Jamie01]

We wouldn’t have Christ without the Jews. There is a whole lot of stuff in the Hebrew bible that is just weird. I don’t know how to just put it into a religious scope. I honestly read some of that stuff and I’m thinking about giants, aliens…science experiments…or some psychedelic/inter dimensional thing.

I don’t have an issue with Christ himself. I mostly don’t like the current cultural trend towards Christianity, and all the rich nut jobs like Thiel trying to twist it to fit whatever psycho narrative they want to push. Was the church not always operating this way?

I have mostly just been told totally insane stuff by Christian’s my whole life. They told me I had to read a book or go to hell. They told me dinosaurs aren’t real and earth is only 6000 years old. Every time reality becomes too believable for the Catholics the pope just changes his story.

 

[Jamie01]

My friends that were into flat earth also started going to church and now think mountains are ancient tree stumps.

I guess that fits with the giants though?

 

[Voidmatrix]

Christianity is explicitly divorced from the optics and practice of its adherents for me. It's the only way I can look at in and see beauty in it, and a reason why I am fond of gnosticism, because it combats the extoretic of "bad" practice we see today.

And yeah, really if we go far enough back in almost any culture, it'll start getting weird, even in indigenous European cultures.

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[Jamie01]

would you consider Manichaeism a form of Gnosticism? It’s helpful to clarify because often people use the term “gnostic” to refer to different groups from Manichaeism to the Sethians etc.

The Nag Hammadi stuff is pretty weird and psychedelic. I haven’t read it all or recently but it’s pretty cool.

 

[Voidmatrix]

would you consider Manichaeism a form of Gnosticism? It’s helpful to clarify because often people use the term “gnostic” to refer to different groups from Manichaeism to the Sethians etc.

I would loosely because it is tangentially derived from it as I understand. I think they also expand the term gnosis, which others have done as well, to highlight a specific knowledge found from within. It's even been used in philosophy to talk about something epistemic and not religious.

Given the creation myth, and our duty, according to the gnostics, to look within to defeat the Demiurge...

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[universecannon]

If we could get actual legal protection through a psychedelic church I'd honestly consider joining but I have no idea how any of that works

I think the roots of all the old religions are fascinating but it seems they all became quite distorted over the years, to say the least. That's partly why the Nag Hammadi texts mentioned are interesting, since they were discovered relatively recently and skipped some of that two thousand year jigsaw puzzle of translations and intentional or unintentional distortions. I don't know much about it but I found this line particularly interesting, from the Gospel of Philip in Nag Hammadi: “Those who say they will die first and then rise are wrong. If they do not receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing."

It also seems some of the bizarre descriptions in those texts trace back to Egypt, for example the serpent with a lions head

Naqa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Varallo]

Nick land sums it up nicely.

“The great educational value of the war against Christendom lies in the absolute truthlessness of the priest. Such purity is rare enough. The 'man of God' is entirely incapable of honesty, and only arises at the point where truth is defaced beyond all legibility. Lies are his entire metabolism, the air he breathes, his bread and his wine. He cannot comment upon the weather without a secret agenda of deceit. No word, gesture, or perception is slight enough to escape his extravagant reflex of falsification, and of the lies in circulation he will instinctively seize on the grossest, the most obscene and oppressive travesty. Any proposition passing the lips of a priest is necessarily totally false, excepting only insidiouses whose message is momentarily misunderstood. It is impossible to deny him without discovering some buried fragment or reality.”


For anyone who wants to break their thinking il add a link to his most famous book:

https://kyl.neocities.org/books/%5BPHI%20LAN%5D%20fanged%20noumena.pdf

 

[Voidmatrix]

If we could get actual legal protection through a psychedelic church I'd honestly consider joining but I have no idea how any of that works

I think the roots of all the old religions are fascinating but it seems they all became quite distorted over the years, to say the least. That's partly why the Nag Hammadi texts mentioned are interesting, since they were discovered relatively recently and skipped some of that two thousand year jigsaw puzzle of translations and intentional or unintentional distortions. I don't know much about it but I found this line particularly interesting, from the Gospel of Philip in Nag Hammadi: “Those who say they will die first and then rise are wrong. If they do not receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing."

It also seems some of the bizarre descriptions in those texts trace back to Egypt, for example the serpent with a lions head

Naqa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nick land sums it up nicely.

“The great educational value of the war against Christendom lies in the absolute truthlessness of the priest. Such purity is rare enough. The 'man of God' is entirely incapable of honesty, and only arises at the point where truth is defaced beyond all legibility. Lies are his entire metabolism, the air he breathes, his bread and his wine. He cannot comment upon the weather without a secret agenda of deceit. No word, gesture, or perception is slight enough to escape his extravagant reflex of falsification, and of the lies in circulation he will instinctively seize on the grossest, the most obscene and oppressive travesty. Any proposition passing the lips of a priest is necessarily totally false, excepting only insidiouses whose message is momentarily misunderstood. It is impossible to deny him without discovering some buried fragment or reality.”


For anyone who wants to break their thinking il add a link to his most famous book:

https://kyl.neocities.org/books/%5BPHI%20LAN%5D%20fanged%20noumena.pdf

He has some really interesting interpretations that appeal to gnosticism. I hope this is the right video.