Christian Mysticism and Church

[alpharex]

What happens now post EO? I have GWOT vet friends that need ibogaine treatment

 

[Transform]

And yeah, really if we go far enough back in almost any culture, it'll start getting weird, even in indigenous European cultures.

"Weird" itself refers to the pre-Christian Anglo-Saxon nature religion known as Wyrd, so I don't know if you hit that particular nail on the head intentionally…

 

[alpharex]

Yes, , not looking for y'all attacks, I'm seeking to have a conversation with others out there who are into this stuff. Y'all can kindly take the criticism elsewhere

Mod edit: this discussion was split here.

Post in thread 'Split topic: Christianity, priests, rhetoric, and the Nick Land quote'

Yesterday at 10:59 PM

This was split off from another thread to keep that discussion focused.

The quote I posted earlier was not intended as a literal statement, but as a condensed way of pointing to a structural tension: the mediation of truth through authority and belief.

I’m more interested in exploring that tension here than in revisiting the question of whether the quote itself was appropriately placed.

• Varallo

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[alpharex]

If someone is not into it, they can share, but at that point - move on?

 

[blig-blug]

Here's a personal experience somewhat related to Christian mysticism:

I'm not a Christian nor particularly attracted towards Christianity. So, during a pharmahuasca experience, I was surprised when I got some sudden insight on the meaning of Christ being God and Man.

I had been having a very heavenly experience, with feelings of expansion and of melting with the "core of reality". You could call that God, even though that didn't come to mind in that moment. I was it, I was everything. But it wasn't me yet.

(what follows isn't a statement of belief, but my experience in that moment)
At one point, some painful thoughts crossed my mind, with some nausea as well. Instead of ending this expansive experience, what came to my mind was Christ. Through Christ, God experiences the reality that he himself is, but from the inside: the pains, the joys, the sadness. All that's human. I saw Christ not as a man that lived once somewhere and was supposedly God, but as every human to ever live, embodying the whole of reality as they experience it from the inside. These pains and pleasures, joys and sorrows, seemed like sensory organs through which the richness of creation could be enjoyed and celebrated... by itself. So I was Christ, Christ was I, and so it was for every other person to exist, even when they didn't know. At once God and Man, soul and body, sensation and sensory organ.

That experience gave me an appreciation for that aspect of the Christ archetype that had seemed quite arbitrary and uninteresting before.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Yes, , not looking for y'all attacks, I'm seeking to have a conversation with others out there who are into this stuff. Y'all can kindly take the criticism elsewhere

Mod edit: this discussion was split here.

Post in thread 'Split topic: Christianity, priests, rhetoric, and the Nick Land quote'

Yesterday at 10:59 PM

This was split off from another thread to keep that discussion focused.

The quote I posted earlier was not intended as a literal statement, but as a condensed way of pointing to a structural tension: the mediation of truth through authority and belief.

I’m more interested in exploring that tension here than in revisiting the question of whether the quote itself was appropriately placed.

• Varallo

• 

While not versed in Christian Mysticism, I am interested in mysticism in general and would love to engage you in dialogue regarding it.

Here's a personal experience somewhat related to Christian mysticism:

I'm not a Christian nor particularly attracted towards Christianity. So, during a pharmahuasca experience, I was surprised when I got some sudden insight on the meaning of Christ being God and Man.

I had been having a very heavenly experience, with feelings of expansion and of melting with the "core of reality". You could call that God, even though that didn't come to mind in that moment. I was it, I was everything. But it wasn't me yet.

At one point, some painful thoughts crossed my mind, with some nausea as well. Instead of ending this expansive experience, what came to my mind was Christ. Through Christ, God experiences the reality that he himself is, but from the inside: the pains, the joys, the sadness. All that's human. I saw Christ not as a man that lived once somewhere and was supposedly God, but as every human to ever live, embodying the whole of reality as they experience it from the inside. These pains and pleasures, joys and sorrows, seemed like sensory organs through which the richness of creation could be enjoyed and celebrated... by itself. So I was Christ, Christ was I, and so it was for every other person to exist, even when they didn't know. At once God and Man, soul and body, sensation and sensory organ.

That experience gave me an appreciation for that aspect of the Christ archetype that had seemed quite arbitrary and uninteresting before.

Sounds similar to finding one's inner Buddha.

One love

 

[blig-blug]

Sounds similar to finding one's inner Buddha.

It may depend on the tradition. I would say Buddha is usually characterized by the end of dhukka/suffering/stress (nibbana/nirvana means literally the extinguishing of a flame), while in this case there was an appreciation of the meaning and value of negative experiences, thoughts, and emotions.

But yes, I do see the similarity in other aspects, such as the merging with one archetypal individual that dissolves all contradictions between the human and the divine/cosmic.

Given my personal interests, I would have expected much more an experience involving Buddha, and yet I got that one. Pharma/Aya always surprises! I'm glad it did, because it gave me an appreciation of something that before didn't have any meaning for me.

 

[Voidmatrix]

It may depend on the tradition. I would say Buddha is usually characterized by the end of dhukka/suffering/stress (nibbana/nirvana means literally the extinguishing of a flame), while in this case there was an appreciation of the meaning and value of negative experiences, thoughts, and emotions.

But yes, I do see the similarity in other aspects, such as the merging with one archetypal individual that dissolves all contradictions between the human and the divine/cosmic.

Given my personal interests, I would have expected much more an experience involving Buddha, and yet I got that one. Pharma/Aya always surprises! I'm glad I did, because it gave me an appreciation of something that before didn't have any meaning for me.

Yeah, I mean it broadly: Christ consciousness=Inner Buddha.

One love