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"Clean up" step did not turn milky?

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relsseS

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Hello. My second attempt at Earthwalker's 100g AC tek has resulted in failure once more, and this time I believe I have even taken a step backwards. I followed the tek thoroughly during my first attempt, and ended up with nothing. But, in my first attempt, when I began the "Clean up" step in his tek, my naphtha water turned white and milky like it was supposed to.
But the second time around, I followed the tek even more precisely than before, and I don't know what I could have done wrong. This is what I did:

I mixed 500ml vinegar water (PH 4) with about 180ml of naphtha gathered from 5 pulls. After swirling gently for 15 minutes, I siphoned out the naphtha. Now, the tek said there would be a layer in between the water and naphtha, a fatty brown layer, and in both of my attempts there was none. Just naptha and water. After removing the naptha, I added a mixture of 200ml water and 50g dissolved lye to the 500ml vinegar water that now apparently contains the dmt. According to the tek, this is supposed to turn the water milky-white almost instantly. This DID happen during my first attempt, but this didn't happen during my second! I followed everything down to the T, every measurement, every step.

However, upon adding the lye-water to my dmt-water, it only succeeded in turning the water SLIGHTLY cloudy, almost nothing at all really. I still did 5 hot naphtha pulls with fresh naptha to this water, and evaporated some in a dish and covered and put it away to freeze, exactly what the tek said to do. I have a 100% feeling that I am going to wake up to failure tomorrow. Something just doesn't seem right about my procedure, my solution never exactly reacts how the tek says it is supposed to, yet I am doing everything spot-on.

My naphtha doesn't turn murky or yellow after pulls, it stays as crystal clear as ever.
The dmt-water did not turn milky at all after having the lye added to it.
There was no "in between" layer during any of the procedure, just crystal clear naptha and solution.

I kept the naphtha from the AC pulls, that was supposed to have transferred its dmt into the acidic water during the clean up stage, just in case it possibly didn't transfer its dmt, and that's why the water didn't turn cloudy? I need more guidance. I don't understand what I did wrong, it seems my life is just one failure after another, no matter how hard I try.
 
If you followed the steps precisely and still get no results...then the only variable is the bark.

In all probability it is something other than ACRB.

Sham bark is on the increase as unscrupulous people try to make a buck with other materials.

The mini A/B 'backsalting' steps will result in nice clean product but only if the product is present.

All you can do is try again. 😉
 
Finding good bark seems to be impossible. I guess I just wasted lots of money and time then. Thanks for the feedback, I don't know if I even want to waste any more time on extracting. I guess it just isn't my thing after all.
 
And thanks for your answer, I removed my original question. I tried searching the forum rules and couldn't find a link.


I guess another question would be, if this has ever happened to anyone else, and what happened to them. I searched around and it seems like it's never happened to anyone.
 
Have a look here for pics of the extraction (minus the mini A/B) .. just to make sure of your procedure.

relsseS said:
Finding good bark seems to be impossible.
It's out there, it just seems to be a lottery at the moment...especially in the U.S.
Try again when the time is right :)


I guess another question would be, if this has ever happened to anyone else, and what happened to them. I searched around and it seems like it's never happened to anyone.
It has happened many, many times over the years...it's a real pain I know but as the legality of things get more and more extreme, it will probably get worse. Sorry.

You can always grow your own (if you have the patience)
 
relsseS said:
Finding good bark seems to be impossible. I guess I just wasted lots of money and time then. Thanks for the feedback, I don't know if I even want to waste any more time on extracting. I guess it just isn't my thing after all.

Just as a tip in the future. Your solvent, base, & equipment is never a loss. It can be used again later.
What has helped me is to always start small with maybe 50-100g to test it out. That way you havnt invested too much if the bark is bunk.
 
A few tips that I have learned from experience:
Sometimes the bark is bunk, find a reliable source and stick with them.
Reuse your naphtha, the more you use it, the more saturated it becomes, the more saturated it becomes, it pulls dmt from the water more efficiently.
Don't worry so much about the defatting steps. Acacia doesn't contain much fat as it is and if you keep your first set of pulls clean, there is no reason to clean it up further.
Focus on getting powder/crytals, this is the main goal. Even if they come out dirty, its still a success because you can always clean them up.
 
How many times did it take you guys before you got it right? Did you fail at all in the beginning? Was your bark bunk, or did you find a reliable source right off the bat?

I did my attempts in small 100g batches, however, I foolishly believed my source to be reliable, and I am sitting on 5lbs of this so-called bark. I actually have bark from two different sources, and neither of them worked even though I was spot on with the tek. I've grown lots of shrooms before, and that process is much longer, more complicated, and easier to fuck up than any dmt extraction tek I've seen thus far, and yet I've still been able to successfully grow them. I don't know why something as simple as a dmt extraction tek (trust me, after sterilizing your entire house, pressure cooking, colonizing, pasteurizing, making substrate, colonizing again, and nurturing your terrariums in the harshest mold-welcoming conditions for two months, a dmt tek that takes 1 day to complete seems like nothing to me). I know that this is comparing apples and oranges but there's got to be a real similarity.


edit: and by the way, just like I predicted, I woke up today to a freezer full of failure.
 
relsseS said:
How many times did it take you guys before you got it right? Did you fail at all in the beginning? Was your bark bunk, or did you find a reliable source right off the bat?

I did my attempts in small 100g batches, however, I foolishly believed my source to be reliable, and I am sitting on 5lbs of this so-called bark. I actually have bark from two different sources, and neither of them worked even though I was spot on with the tek. I've grown lots of shrooms before, and that process is much longer, more complicated, and easier to fuck up than any dmt extraction tek I've seen thus far, and yet I've still been able to successfully grow them. I don't know why something as simple as a dmt extraction tek (trust me, after sterilizing your entire house, pressure cooking, colonizing, pasteurizing, making substrate, colonizing again, and nurturing your terrariums in the harshest mold-welcoming conditions for two months, a dmt tek that takes 1 day to complete seems like nothing to me). I know that this is comparing apples and oranges but there's got to be a real similarity.


edit: and by the way, just like I predicted, I woke up today to a freezer full of failure.

Try evaporating the solvent instead of freezing it to see if it leaves anything left over at all. If not, and you are sure you did the tek correctly every time, you probably just have bad bark.
 
cyb said:
If you followed the steps precisely and still get no results...then the only variable is the bark.

In all probability it is something other than ACRB.

Sham bark is on the increase as unscrupulous people try to make a buck with other materials.

Yep ^^


I had the same problem first time. I got a lot of good practice though :)
 
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