Cleaning / recrystalizing xylene jungle spice extraction.

[Kalitechnik]

Hey folks.
I did a full warm xylene extraction from 200g of MHRB and after evaping i got 4,2 crude jungle orange spice. I tried to vape it but it taste awfull, and its not potent. I want to clean or recrystalize.

And now i have a question since i would like to keep the all "jungle" alkaloids therefore which way should i go:

1. If i recrystalize it with warm solven like pet-ether or heptane, will i not loose the jungle element? and...
a. should i recrystalize it with heptane (if it is better than pet-ether?)
b. or i can do it with pet-ether (it is way cheaper where i am)

2. Or should i perform some FASA on it?

 

[Varallo]

Hi there
There is some debate over the jungle element, and whether it is a thing or just a product of self suggestion. If you are referring to 2MTHBC the solvent used is not selective so naphtha would pull the same amount as xylene.

I suggest a mini AB with naphtha to clean things up, afterwards you could then extract the residual wax with xylene. When smoking the residual stuff you find out it doesn’t do much.


Maybe read up on it;

Mimosa hostilis and extract analysis thread (FASA, FASW, Naphtha, Limo, "jungle spice" etc

(edit: New analysis from 2023) Mimosa hostilis rootbark (#148 ) Jan 2023 Origin: : Brazil Results: DMT 0.85% NMT 0.52% Yuremamine 0.35% DMT N-oxide 0.05% Bufotenine 0.003% Mimosa hostilis rootbark (#149) Jan 2023 Origin: : Mexico Results: DMT 0.76% NMT 0.35% Yuremamine 0.29% DMT N-Oxide...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

 

[acacian]

Can you give some info on how you vaped it? If not vaped correctly DMT will give very little effect.. some people have run into this problem with electronic vaporizers and other pipes also have a learning curve of there own.

Cleaning your extract is never a bad idea.. but we get a lot of posts like this saying it isn’t having an effect.. and from a plant like Mimosa hostilis, I’d expect a fairly large mistake to have taken place for the extract to not be mostly DMT

It’s very likely you’re not vaporizing it properly but if you could give more detail that would be great. Also if you could provide details of your extraction that would be helpful.

 

[Kalitechnik]

Hi there
There is some debate over the jungle element, and whether it is a thing or just a product of self suggestion. If you are referring to 2MTHBC the solvent used is not selective so naphtha would pull the same amount as xylene.

I suggest a mini AB with naphtha to clean things up, afterwards you could then extract the residual wax with xylene. When smoking the residual stuff you find out it doesn’t do much.


Maybe read up on it;

Mimosa hostilis and extract analysis thread (FASA, FASW, Naphtha, Limo, "jungle spice" etc

(edit: New analysis from 2023) Mimosa hostilis rootbark (#148 ) Jan 2023 Origin: : Brazil Results: DMT 0.85% NMT 0.52% Yuremamine 0.35% DMT N-oxide 0.05% Bufotenine 0.003% Mimosa hostilis rootbark (#149) Jan 2023 Origin: : Mexico Results: DMT 0.76% NMT 0.35% Yuremamine 0.29% DMT N-Oxide...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

Hey thanx for answer. I read that thread, and with my limited understanding i noticed that it shows that the xylene pulls get most of the stuff from mimosa.
Thats why i did the A/B extraction and made hot pulls with a xylene.

Now i just want to clean it, and here my knowledge and understanding is a bit limited (i am just learning the art).
i was thinking that simple recrystalization with heptane/pet-ether will be enough.

Why do you suggests to perform mini A/B again, and if that makes sense how should i do it? Can you please explain?

 

[Kalitechnik]

Can you give some info on how you vaped it? If not vaped correctly DMT will give very little effect.. some people have run into this problem with electronic vaporizers and other pipes also have a learning curve of there own.

Cleaning your extract is never a bad idea.. but we get a lot of posts like this saying it isn’t having an effect.. and from a plant like Mimosa hostilis, I’d expect a fairly large mistake to have taken place for the extract to not be mostly DMT

It’s very likely you’re not vaporizing it properly but if you could give more detail that would be great. Also if you could provide details of your extraction that would be helpful.

I tried to vape it in my glass pipe aka crack pipe. I loaded 80mg and heated nicely with a torch. And inhale the vapours. They tasted horrible, and after 3 tokes i had a little bit of effect. Normally i use pure white stuff in my e-mesh. 30mg in one hit takes me far away. Nowadays i use d-juice device. 2-3 hits take me far away. So i recognize that my crude jungle spice extract is full of other stuff that firstly makes the taste horrible, secondly is not so potent.

And also as my understanding goes it seems like 2% in MHRB is big yields if not maximum. And i got like 4,2% so that makes me thinks that 2% is surelly some nasty stuff that do not add any positive to the experience.

 

[Varallo]

Hey thanx for answer. I read that thread, and with my limited understanding i noticed that it shows that the xylene pulls get most of the stuff from mimosa.
Thats why i did the A/B extraction and made hot pulls with a xylene.

Xylene is indeed less selective then naphtha, especially when you then evaporate the pulls the resulting wax wil be full of other things, like fats and oils from the plant.

Now i just want to clean it, and here my knowledge and understanding is a bit limited (i am just learning the art).
i was thinking that simple recrystalization with heptane/pet-ether will be enough.

Why do you suggests to perform mini A/B again, and if that makes sense how should i do it? Can you please explain?

Although jungle spice is a somewhat broad term, I define it as the yellow waxy stuf that comes over when someone would first extract with naphtha and then use xylene to extract the bark to exhaustion.
The reason I suggest a mini ab is that you can then separate the dmt from the rest of the wax. When dissolving in water and vinegar the plant fats wil stick to the glass then just use another container to base and pull with naphtha and then for the sake of experimenting a final one with xylene.

You end up with:
- A wax in the acidic container, not active
- A clean extract from the naphtha, nice white stuff, very active
- Then there is still some waxy stuff in the base container, this will dissolve in the xylene, this is active but not as tasty as the white stuff.

I think it is the last fraction that could be referred to as jungle spice. From the linked thread it seems still mostly dmt. In my experience with asking my friend to fill my pipe with jungle or white spice I couldn’t consistently pick out the jungle. Maybe you can, and it would be interesting to see if you notice any difference in effects other then maybe the taste.

Good luck, and great job on the experimenting, it really is a joy to learn by doing!

 

[Kalitechnik]

@Varallo and what about doing a FASA? I mean if i will disolve my crude stuff in acetone with fumaric acid, and try to precipitate as dmt fumarate?
i read somwhere that then all the alkaloids will be turned into fumarates? At least thats someone suggested that doing a FASA on a xylene solution will get all the jungle godies together with DMT, and leave all impurities out. what do you think about it?

And did i understood correctly...are you a fan of JS or not so much?

 

[Varallo]

Sure it is also a solution, in essence it’s not that different from using acetic or for that matter fumeric acid in water. The only difference is the DRY acetone that is needed for the precipitation to occur. I’m not so sure though that you will precipitate all alkaloids because I haven’t seen any analysis on that. Maybe other members have that information.

As for using jungle, I can’t really differentiate between it and normal clean white spice. Therefore I chose to use only the cleanest of spice. I think inhaling anything but clean air is unhealthy and therefore if I need to inhale anything I make sure I only inhale the thing that is really necessary for the effects I’m after.

 

[Kalitechnik]

@Varallo is 99.5% clean acetone consider DRY? I am bying this in the shop that sells lab grade chemicals.

 

[Varallo]

No it’s not, but you can dry it easily with epsom salt. Just dry some epsom salt in a high oven and then, when cool, throw a scoop or two in the bottle of acetone. Shake then wait and decant. Dry acetone.

Good luck !

 

[acacian]

I tried to vape it in my glass pipe aka crack pipe. I loaded 80mg and heated nicely with a torch. And inhale the vapours. They tasted horrible, and after 3 tokes i had a little bit of effect. Normally i use pure white stuff in my e-mesh. 30mg in one hit takes me far away. Nowadays i use d-juice device. 2-3 hits take me far away. So i recognize that my crude jungle spice extract is full of other stuff that firstly makes the taste horrible, secondly is not so potent.

And also as my understanding goes it seems like 2% in MHRB is big yields if not maximum. And i got like 4,2% so that makes me thinks that 2% is surelly some nasty stuff that do not add any positive to the experience.

Didn’t you say you got 4.2g from 200g? Isn’t that just a normal 2% yield?

Jungle is mostly DMT and should be active in much the same dosage range, unless you’ve done something very wrong in your extraction I think more than likely your burning it in the “crack pipe”.. that would explain the harshness and lack of effects

You said that 30mg in your mesh normally gets you there. Does that not suggest that it’s less to do with it being pure white and maybe more the fact you used a different instrument to vape with? I’ve heard a lot of people say it’s more difficult vaping DMT in a crack pipe.

All that said, no harm in cleaning your spice.. I’d just be surprised if you have 2 g of impurities in there and you said you got 4.2 from 200g which sounds like a normal DMT yield.

 

[StoneyBroski]

Burning in a Crack pipe will definitely dull the effects as you'll be burning a great deal of it, I tried ripping ~100mg in a dash rig once, it made clouds, I tried to hold the torch back, and it sucked cause I heated it up too much. I usually just go with Changa for tokes, and maybe sandwich 25-50mg extra for ego death.
You could try pouring fasa through the xylene extract to precipitate fa alk salts while leaving oils, decant and dry, collect salts and weigh, dissolve in water, basify with sodium carbonate, pull with pet ether 3x (for N,N), then with xylene 3x (for js), evap naphtha to 10% & freeze, evap xylene or FASA for js fa.

 

[Kalitechnik]

Didn’t you say you got 4.2g from 200g? Isn’t that just a normal 2% yield?

Jungle is mostly DMT and should be active in much the same dosage range, unless you’ve done something very wrong in your extraction I think more than likely your burning it in the “crack pipe”.. that would explain the harshness and lack of effects

You said that 30mg in your mesh normally gets you there. Does that not suggest that it’s less to do with it being pure white and maybe more the fact you used a different instrument to vape with? I’ve heard a lot of people say it’s more difficult vaping DMT in a crack pipe.

I am quite sure now that i was not vapourizing it correctly from my glass pipe + the xylene taste was adding also negative aspect to the experience. I am waiting now for some new device for vaping (Divine Tribe V5), also doing some research on other best methods for vaping spice. Considering making changa as well. If you have any good advice on proper way of smoking our freebase spice i would apreciate.

You could try pouring fasa through the xylene extract to precipitate fa alk salts while leaving oils, decant and dry, collect salts and weigh, dissolve in water, basify with sodium carbonate, pull with pet ether 3x (for N,N), then with xylene 3x (for js), evap naphtha to 10% & freeze, evap xylene or FASA for js fa.

I will be trying some FASA aproach in very near future.
What i did now is i followed @Varallo advice and i performed mini A/B on my impure xylene product.

Disolved all in acidic water, basified and pulled with pet-ether.
In attached pictures we can see my crude xylene product and then rex`ed product.
Not super white but way more cleaner not so much wax, and smells nice.
And it looks like there was not so much "impurities".
Did not tried it yet.

But that experiment make me to thing right now that xylene is good for first pulls and the cleaning it will give me way more that i usually was getting from pet-ether pulls before.

Would like to try FASA also but as i am reading and reading seems like people have some problems with precipitations, and that it takes quite some time.

 

[Varallo]

Great to see your progress, it really seems like you have been having fun with doing and learning. seeing the flask and amount of dmt you could do with a little bit more water, if you want it to clean the dmt a bit more.

Fasa is great to use but fails if the materials used are not dry, otherwise it’s fairly straightforward.

Take care