Clear Goo after freeze precipitation

[Atmozic]

Hi All,

Now before I start; I have been looking through forums, FAQ, google anything I can find to answer my question. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, more than likely it's been answered and I'm describing things the wrong way - so please bear with me.

Had a few attempts at extraction last week and doing more research from now until I've gotten enough information. Basically the end result EVERY time was what appeared to be nothing except a slimy film or droplets

- the droplets were clear and scattered all over the container as if they Evap'd during the freeze and settled where they may
- looked like water but after sitting in front of the fan they just remained as is after the naphtha was dried off
- oily to the touch and then sticky as they dried
- I checked the breakdown of the NPS that I used, total ingredient list was hydrocarbons with N-Hexane, no mention of Xylene
- When going by the smell description provided by Cyb (flowers or new sneakers) then DMT SHOULD have been present (definitive smell of new sneakers after/during Evap)

Looking at images of what people have described as goo showed more of a literal goo (opaque/translucent "goo" that could be worked with a safety blade etc). It didn't look anything like what I had. More to the point based on the solutions I've seen for goo, it doesn't seem feasible (barring continuing to Evap or keep in the freezer) in this particular scenario.

So my question is:

- Could it be DMT? if not then is it just plant oils? (seems unlikely if it's in the freezer, I would have expected a fat/wax if it were oils).
- Besides Ehrlich reagent testing is there any other methods to get a better understanding if it happens again?
- If it is DMT, what to do with it to make it usable? After freezing for nearly 32 hours it remained as is, no change in state or crystalline formation

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this.

 

[benzyme]

it may be a product that was not basified high enough to fully deprotonate and exclude other molecular species, and/or result of a nonpolar solvent that was not dried (to absorb residual base).

 

[downwardsfromzero]

..Enough GOO questions! read this..

^possibly useful thread

 

[benzyme]

another possibility, it could be a lower-melting ‘polymorph’ form, one that melts around 40C. it may have a resinous consistency
at room temp, but would be crystalline @ -20C. The more thermo-stable form that results in crystals at room temp, typically has a melting point above 55C. DMT is notorious for having various melting point ranges, from low 40s to upper 60s C.

I’ve never seen prominent peaks for THBC’s in MHRB extracts, using LCMS analysis.

 

[Atmozic]

..Enough GOO questions! read this..

^possibly useful thread

Thanks for that, it was actually one of the first places I started reading. It describes goo, but didn't quite hit the mark of what I had. I really wish I had taken a photo, then it would provide better context.

 

[Atmozic]

it may be a product that was not basified high enough to fully deprotonate and exclude other molecular species, and/or result of a nonpolar solvent that was not dried (to absorb residual base).

That could be a possibility, i didn't measure the pH in that batch, and it was a first attempt so there was plenty to improve upon. In my previous posts I seemed to be met with failure consistently, so it has been incredibly frustrating. In fact the only consistent result has been this clear goo.

 

[benzyme]

I ended with clear goo from sublimation from my first extraction back in '08. It was very active.

 

[Atmozic]

I ended with clear goo from sublimation from my first extraction back in '08. It was very active.

Is there a way that you know of (I don't have reagents on hand) to see if it is viable product? Very encouraging if I had the same result as you.

 

[benzyme]

Well, like I mentioned, it may be a lower-melting form. Not any less pure, just arranged differently in space. Less constrained molecular forms melt at a higher boiling point. All have similar activity.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Less constrained molecular forms melt at a higher boiling point

Dude, are you stoned?

 

[RoundAbout]

Well, like I mentioned, it may be a lower-melting form. Not any less pure, just arranged differently in space. Less constrained molecular forms melt at a higher boiling point. All have similar activity.

Pardon my ignorance, but I have never understood this language. Surely the liquid cannot be referred to as either crystalline polymorph as it is a liquid, all considerations of purity, path and stability/metastability aside.

 

[benzyme]

Less constrained molecular forms melt at a higher boiling point

Dude, are you stoned?

haha...I had a lot of wine

 

[null24]

Clear goo is very common, esp with acrb. I've encountered it worth heated and cold pulls when extracting acrb sans a defat step.

It's very active, I've always *assumed* a high purity just from the transparent color. What you've describedsure sounds like it.

I've seen it as a sort of matrix or thin layer on the bottom of a collection dish, sprinkled here and there with wax and or xtal, or in any combo or singularly.

 

[Atmozic]

Clear goo is very common, esp with acrb. I've encountered it worth heated and cold pulls when extracting acrb sans a defat step.

It's very active, I've always *assumed* a high purity just from the transparent color. What you've describedsure sounds like it.

I've seen it as a sort of matrix or thin layer on the bottom of a collection dish, sprinkled here and there with wax and or xtal, or in any combo or singularly.

The random scattering does sound very similar to my situation, so it's entirely possible that I've created extra-special-pure DMT

Thanks for that. Very encouraging if true.