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Hey guys I’m not new to dmt, but pretty new to the extraction process, I’ve been on this site a while lurking in the background just reading as much as possible,

I did my first extraction last nite, when I used the turkey baster to extract the naphtha from my base soloution, the naphtha came out transparent, it’s been in the freezer for a little over 12 hours now, and it has crysalized but the crystals are almost transparent is this heard of

Many thanks
Trippy
 
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231174602283 said:
Hey guys I’m not new to dmt, but pretty new to the extraction process, I’ve been on this site a while lurking in the background just reading as much as possible,

I did my first extraction last nite, when I used the turkey baster to extract the naphtha from my base soloution, the naphtha came out transparent, it’s been in the freezer for a little over 12 hours now, and it has crysalized but the crystals are almost transparent is this heard of

Many thanks
Trippy
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Hello and welcome!

With the caveat that it could simply be (water) ice, this sounds great - some good quality photos of the product would be highly appreciated, since you've (possibly) really lucked in on the crystallisation process by the sounds of it. DMT is not actually white - it's as colourless as sugar or salt would be when formed into large enough crystals of high purity - although it does exhibit polymorphism whereby some forms can take on a yellowish hue. It also has a tendency to oligomerise/polymerise, which also leads to a darker coloration in the direction of yellow/orange/red/brown. Factors at play in this latter phenomenon include higher temperature pulls and prolonged contact time with the alkaline solution.

In that respect, it would be of great interest to hear of exactly what you did during the extraction process, including details like pull times, temperatures and other matters of technique, as well as the solvents and starting materials that were used.

Have you drained the solvent from the crystals yet? It's crucial to observe them at room temperature to eliminate the possibility that you have a bunch of ice (which, tbh, should normally be apparent from its appearance). If it all remains solid - we want details!

Best of luck (y)
 
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Transform said:
Hello and welcome!

With the caveat that it could simply be (water) ice, this sounds great - some good quality photos of the product would be highly appreciated, since you've (possibly) really lucked in on the crystallisation process by the sounds of it. DMT is not actually white - it's as colourless as sugar or salt would be when formed into large enough crystals of high purity - although it does exhibit polymorphism whereby some forms can take on a yellowish hue. It also has a tendency to oligomerise/polymerise, which also leads to a darker coloration in the direction of yellow/orange/red/brown. Factors at play in this latter phenomenon include higher temperature pulls and prolonged contact time with the alkaline solution.

In that respect, it would be of great interest to hear of exactly what you did during the extraction process, including details like pull times, temperatures and other matters of technique, as well as the solvents and starting materials that were used.

Have you drained the solvent from the crystals yet? It's crucial to observe them at room temperature to eliminate the possibility that you have a bunch of ice (which, tbh, should normally be apparent from its appearance). If it all remains solid - we want details!

Best of luck (y)
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Thanks for the reply an support brother, son as I get in, I give a full explanation of the extradition tec an upload the picks, thanks for the support and guidance ✌🏼

And feed back or advise would be more than appreciated to help me get on the right path 👍
 
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Transform said:
Hello and welcome!

With the caveat that it could simply be (water) ice, this sounds great - some good quality photos of the product would be highly appreciated, since you've (possibly) really lucked in on the crystallisation process by the sounds of it. DMT is not actually white - it's as colourless as sugar or salt would be when formed into large enough crystals of high purity - although it does exhibit polymorphism whereby some forms can take on a yellowish hue. It also has a tendency to oligomerise/polymerise, which also leads to a darker coloration in the direction of yellow/orange/red/brown. Factors at play in this latter phenomenon include higher temperature pulls and prolonged contact time with the alkaline solution.

In that respect, it would be of great interest to hear of exactly what you did during the extraction process, including details like pull times, temperatures and other matters of technique, as well as the solvents and starting materials that were used.

Have you drained the solvent from the crystals yet? It's crucial to observe them at room temperature to eliminate the possibility that you have a bunch of ice (which, tbh, should normally be apparent from its appearance). If it all remains solid - we want details!

Best of luck (y)
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Ok, just got home sorry for the late reply, and sorry for some questions that may seem silly but I’m a newbie to extraction as I said,

So I got a gallon masonry jar, I put 12 cups of water in, then 1 cup of food grade lye, stored the jar until the lye had dissolved, I then added 3 cups of mhrb, then put the lid on the jar and shook for 5 mins to break up the plant matter, I then added 3 cups of warmed naphtha to the jar witch then filled to the brim, so there was no air in the jar, I then rotated the jar 180 degrees going top side up to upside down waiting 30 before each turn, I did this 50 times

From the tutorial I was given everything went to plan step by step, could see the dmt moving through the naphtha, the jar got slightly warm, I then left it to stand for 1 hour,

The only difference between what I did and was shown is when i extracted the naphtha it came out transparent, when all the others I saw were yellow, I’ve been told to leave im the freezer for 24/36 hours before you start the drying process,

There are a lot of crystals on the bottom of the jar, I’d guess 5/7 grams, but there all very much transparent,

My questions, have I done something wrong in this process?

And as you mentioned this would be water/ice I’m assuming this has gone wrong?

I would be great full for any feed back or opinions

Please remember this is my first attempt don’t want to ask silly questions

Any guidance would be beyond appreciated

When I take it out of the freezer tomorrow at 12 noon is 36 hours I’ll upload photos

Many thanks guys
 
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No worries about waiting for your reply - things can move more slowly than the average internet around here, and I have plenty of other stuff to do! Sometimes it can take weeks or months for replies to threads to show up, although that tends to be the exception.

Sounds like you've followed a standard STB process fairly exactly. Naphtha won't always come out yellow. Your short contact time of the MHRB with the lye may have helped this. There's no need to leave the dish in the freezer any longer if you're in a position to drain the naphtha off. [Keep the naphtha to make more pulls from the base soup! If you do more pulls they will almost certainly be of a darker colour, which is OK.]
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waiting 30 before each turn
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30 what? Seconds? Breaths? Minutes?

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There are a lot of crystals on the bottom of the jar, I’d guess 5/7 grams, but there all very much transparent,
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If they are still submerged in the solvent, this will tend to make them look more transparent. You need to drain off (and save!) the naphtha now. If you keep peering into the freezer, you may increase the likelihood of more ice forming in the dish. For that matter, what have you covered the dish with? Saran wrap? 5 to 7 grams sounds like it might be a lot for 3 cups of MHRB, but then I've no idea how many grams of MHRB fits into 'a cup'. If you still have some bark, it would be worth weighing a cupful of it, not least because this will help you calculate your yield. I suppose 200g per cup would make that somewhere around a 1% yield, which would be good for a first pull.

The other reason I would advise you to take the dish out of the freezer and drain off the naphtha is in order to check whether any of the crystals start to melt once they start warming up. That would be a sign of it being ice.

The sooner you can address all this and get the naphtha back into the jar for a second pull, the lighter in colour that second pull is likely to be.

If you want to discuss this in a more immediate fashion, try dropping in to the chat room.
 
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Ok so took the advice from you guys, drained the naphtha an this is what it looks like, I guess another 6 hours to dry, please tell me I’m going in the right direction 🙌
 

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231174602283 said:
Ok so took the advice from you guys, drained the naphtha an this is what it looks like, I guess another 6 hours to dry, please tell me I’m going in the right direction 🙌
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Phenethylamine23 said:
Looks to me like you have sodium hydroxide there.
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It looks fine to me. There's no way that amount of sodium hydroxide would get carried over in naphtha. I think @Phenethylamine23 is a bit obsessed with NaOH contamination at the moment.
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So do I throw this away or is there away of testing it
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There are various ways of testing it. Probably the simplest would be to put a speck of it on a piece of foil and heat it gently from beneath with a lighter or similar. It should melt, then vaporise, giving a characteristic plasticky/mothball-like odour. if you overheat it, it may char or catch fire, giving off black, foul-smelling smoke.

If it fails to melt or vaporise, and/or leaves a white, powdery residue, then you need to recrystallise it from heptane or fresh naphtha.
 
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Well men I’m gonna do the test and hopefull blast of tonight, I’ll keep you guys informed, wish me luck

They do very much look lik crystals like fine shards of glass
Transform said:
It looks fine to me. There's no way that amount of sodium hydroxide would get carried over in naphtha. I think @Phenethylamine23 is a bit obsessed with NaOH contamination at the moment.

There are various ways of testing it. Probably the simplest would be to put a speck of it on a piece of foil and heat it gently from beneath with a lighter or similar. It should melt, then vaporise, giving a characteristic plasticky/mothball-like odour. if you overheat it, it may char or catch fire, giving off black, foul-smelling smoke.

If it fails to melt or vaporise, and/or leaves a white, powdery residue, then you need to recrystallise it from heptane or fresh naphtha.
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yeah thanks man, that’s the first thing I’m gonna do, if I was to smoke it with lye in the back d imagine that’s not a good thing for me
 
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231174602283 said:
yeah thanks man, that’s the first thing I’m gonna do, if I was to smoke it with lye in the back d imagine that’s not a good thing for me
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Lye isn't especially volatile, nor does it dissolve in naphtha.

It would be worth checking exactly what brand of naphtha you used, though. It would be prudent to eliminate a number of possibilities that could lie behind the observations you've made.
 
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