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I mean this post with all possible respect and sincerity. I do not lack patience or discipline (not that I can't always use work on both) in that I am not looking to get "messed up" or have a joy ride. I actually make this post out of deep respect for the Sacred Substances and the revelations they can bring.

The problem is this:

Dmt is too powerful.

By that I mean it's simply impossible to use socially. What can a dedicated psychonaut/household alchemist do to enjoy their time with their friends when neither the Principle or it's Associates are really interested in alcohol?

After searching it doesn't seem feasible for a household chemist to actually acheive lsd or mdma synthesis in the same way as one can with a dmt recipe, I.e. 4-5 steps that basically anyone who's seriously paying attention can work out successfully.

It doesn't seem fair that dmt would get to be both the most potent and easily achievable extraction and yet be simply too potent to do as something "fun"

or at least that's my impression. I suppose I don't "know" that dmt can't be used for fun but I'm not about to find out where the "disrespectful" line is by bounding towards it.

So I turn to you, oh community, how can we defeat our number one foe (boredom) without disrespecting ourselves, the Universe, or the substances we metabolize?
 
Nope said:
It doesn't seem fair that dmt would get to be both the most potent and easily achievable extraction and yet be simply too potent to do as something "fun"
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Who said anything about things being fair? I don't think physics includes a law of fairness in between gravity and electromagnetism.

That said, mescaline can be pretty amazingly fun and that's no harder than a DMT extraction.

Blessings
~ND
 
DMT can be great in social situations in the proper context but it is easy for people to smoke too much than they're comfortable with in that setting.

That's why gaia gave us mushrooms and cactus 😉
 
Nope said:
...By that I mean it's simply impossible to use socially...too potent to do as something "fun"...
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Floating tanks are also socially bummers, huge, one have to be alone and quit, ...

I (almost) never drink alcohol, but there was this marriage fest and all there was: alcohol and very loud house music which is not my style, so I dove into both by lack of else, and it became an amazing social time. Popped in some earplugs (it was still loud :lol: ) and just watched myself not to drink too much :thumb_up:
I was happy I had no weed for it would have killed the drive.
 
sounds like I need to research me some cacti :D

thanks everyone. your replies are most helpful
 
I think it can be totally fun with the right people under really good conditions. I've had lots of total hilarity ensue on many occasions. You have to be with people that are up for it and can handle it if it goes left . For me that's a small handful of people . I've also had great fun by myself . One trick I've found over the years is not to take it too seriously . Keeping a sense of humor Is important especially in the face of the complete weird absurdity it dishes out
sometimes.
 
These kinds of experiences can definitely be well-tolerated, fun and beneficial within a certain amount of people. Even just one. I recall a few of my salvia and tryptamine journeys with one, two, occasionally more friends being quite immersive and highly variable, but extremely comforting. Sometimes entering deep fits of laughter. Although my time with salvia has been mostly alone, I find the presence of others adds nicely. It's important to be with like-minded others who want to share the totality with you. :)
 
you've had none but a handful of the most down to earth, intelligent, good natured human beings from the dmt nexus and I feel like probably there's nothing to add. but I can't help but want to point out that fun doesn't necessarily need to involve any substance at all but the substance of character and heart that is built among fellows that share and cultivate a genuine respect and affection for one another as compatriots and equals. I can recall times I had great fun with friends just walking, shooting the breeze, or else shooting craps or maybe indulging in a game of hoops in the park instead.
substances can be great fun yes, but there is a time and a place for everything and oftentimes there is no need for boredom. it never even enters your bloodstream, you just exist and enjoy good company.
 
I think that if DMT weren't fun, this website wouldn't have a majority of its following. When things aren't pleasant/fun, people tend to avoid those activities. DMT can provide adventure on the truly epic scale. DMT can be used in certain appropriate social settings as others such as Felnik have mentioned, but who says that fun and sociability are mutually exclusive? I don't know if it is potency persay, that makes DMT at undesirable to do in many social settings where other drugs are more widely "practiced." I think it deals more with the nature of the experience itself. That is to recall that DMT's nature is notoriously unpredictable. It is very difficult to know what you are going to get. It could present the user with simple euphoria and not much else, or a barrage of geometry, or holographic scenes or encounters with the divine (or demonic). So as a result of this nature, when done in a social setting, and you have so many people (with such ranges of intention and seriousness), it's just probability that somebody is going to come out of this whole thing unhappy.

Part of why I also don't like doing it in the social setting is because my physical perceptions in the world affect my perception of hyperspace. Sometimes all it takes is the bark of a dog or the slam of a door to completely derail a sublime experience. The more people you add to the scenario, the greater chance there is of "interference."

Lastly, let's keep in mind how the adventure that DMT presents is extremely personal in the sense that as much as you may want to share your perceptions with others, you cannot, and are instead limited by very constricting language, and perhaps art/music/poetry/etc. It is so short, and ideally people usually sit/lay down and close their eyes. It's one of the lesser social things you can do. For these reasons (and probably more that are slipping my mind), I must reiterate that I feel that it is the aforementioned nature of the DMT experience that limits its social use as opposed to the potency of the experience.
 
I say push all the lines. Find out where they are and then cross them. Fun is a state of mind. Another altered state of consciousness. Laughing is one of the most powerful medicines. Laughing heals. Laughing and having fun is essential for mental well being. So go and have fun! I don't see any disrespect in that whatsoever.

Sometimes fun is not readily available on a DMT journey. More serious topics come into being. When in a library we whisper. We arrive in this building of books and knowledge to learn. We hold a certain reverence to the knowledge we are surrounded by and the studies of others, so we quiet our voices. We are respectful.

That said... this is your own private library. You do not need to whisper. You can run around your private library and do as you like. Challenge the rules of your library and return yourself to laughter. Do this if you can. This is a good goal in my opinion. Returning to lightheartedness and joy. Whispering is so constraining. We must shout out with our every being and have fun. We are laughter! :lol:
 
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