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I’ve got 2 questions very nice and simple
(I’m gonna attempt my very first extraction for changa I’ll post the recipe I’ll use below)

1. If I use mimosa hostilis 50g how much am I expecting to extract?

2. What plant do I use for the thing that’ll hold the dmt? Should it have MAOI? Can you guys give some recommendations for plants I can easily find in Netherlands

If these questions don’t make much sense try reading the recipe imma follow, I also found it in this site.


This kinda thing has been mentioned before here on the Nexus but i've ultimately made a few changes and came up with my own way of doing it. All that is required is the DMT-containing plant, washing soda (which can be made from heating baking soda in the oven at 400 degrees for an hour) and the solvent of your choice, though i use 91% to 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (preferably the 99%). I'm sure Naptha could potentially work as the solvent, same with Methanol, of course Acetone, and others.



Step 1 - Brew on up the DMT-containing plant by doing a few boils and filter each boil off into a big pot, combining the boils.



Step 2 - Boil/reduce the brew down and then pour it into a smaller pot to boil/reduce again down to about 100mls or less, but 200mls max.



Step 3 - Once the brew is cooled down (room temp/cool to the touch), toss in enough washing soda to soak up all the liquid, stirring it in and then let it dry. At this point, the brew is dried to the washing soda (and is freebased) and all one has to do then is pull from the dry paste with their solvent a few times.



Step 4 - Pull with the solvent, i usually pull atleast 6 times with warm/heated Iso (i keep the jar with the washing soda/brew paste and Iso on a candle warmer with the jars lid off), then filter off and evaporate the pulls, one of the following two ways. Evaporate the pulls straight onto an amount of some sort of herb, or evaporate the pulls in something that has been weighed beforehand and can be weighed afterwards to determine your yield for which you can then determine the correct amount of herb(s) you'll need... then after determining yield, simply soak the freebase oil back up with some fresh warm solvent and if needed use your finger to mix the freebase oil back into the solvent (and clean your finger afterwards with a little more solvent just incase you have any freebase on your finger) and then evaporate the solvent onto an amount of herb(s).



To put it simply, if for any reason you'd want smokable DMT, it's as easy as brewing on up the plant, filtering it a few times, boiling/reducing the brew down to about a hundred mls or less. Once cooled, toss in enough washing soda so that it soaks up all the liquid, then you wait for it to dry. Then you simply do a few pulls from the dry paste with a solvent and evaporate the pulls/solvent onto an amount of herb(s). It really is that easy.



This gives you freebased full spectrum extract of any DMT-containing plant.



And just as a btw, if for any reason you have any residual base in your end result (like if you're using 91% Iso), one can simply give the Changa a quick water rinse and the base should come on off but the extract should stay in place. Also, when evaporating the pulls you might have some freebase oil stick to the sides of whatever you're evaporating it in, and so i usually just wet my finger with some solvent, and rub my finger across the places where the oil is and then be sure to wash my finger off with a little more solvent. This ensures you get every last little bit that you possibly can.



And for filtering, coffee filters work great 📷
 
I’ve got 2 questions very nice and simple
(I’m gonna attempt my very first extraction for changa I’ll post the recipe I’ll use below)

1. If I use mimosa hostilis 50g how much am I expecting to extract?

2. What plant do I use for the thing that’ll hold the dmt? Should it have MAOI? Can you guys give some recommendations for plants I can easily find in Netherlands

If these questions don’t make much sense try reading the recipe imma follow, I also found it in this site.


This kinda thing has been mentioned before here on the Nexus but i've ultimately made a few changes and came up with my own way of doing it. All that is required is the DMT-containing plant, washing soda (which can be made from heating baking soda in the oven at 400 degrees for an hour) and the solvent of your choice, though i use 91% to 99% Isopropyl Alcohol (preferably the 99%). I'm sure Naptha could potentially work as the solvent, same with Methanol, of course Acetone, and others.



Step 1 - Brew on up the DMT-containing plant by doing a few boils and filter each boil off into a big pot, combining the boils.



Step 2 - Boil/reduce the brew down and then pour it into a smaller pot to boil/reduce again down to about 100mls or less, but 200mls max.



Step 3 - Once the brew is cooled down (room temp/cool to the touch), toss in enough washing soda to soak up all the liquid, stirring it in and then let it dry. At this point, the brew is dried to the washing soda (and is freebased) and all one has to do then is pull from the dry paste with their solvent a few times.



Step 4 - Pull with the solvent, i usually pull atleast 6 times with warm/heated Iso (i keep the jar with the washing soda/brew paste and Iso on a candle warmer with the jars lid off), then filter off and evaporate the pulls, one of the following two ways. Evaporate the pulls straight onto an amount of some sort of herb, or evaporate the pulls in something that has been weighed beforehand and can be weighed afterwards to determine your yield for which you can then determine the correct amount of herb(s) you'll need... then after determining yield, simply soak the freebase oil back up with some fresh warm solvent and if needed use your finger to mix the freebase oil back into the solvent (and clean your finger afterwards with a little more solvent just incase you have any freebase on your finger) and then evaporate the solvent onto an amount of herb(s).



To put it simply, if for any reason you'd want smokable DMT, it's as easy as brewing on up the plant, filtering it a few times, boiling/reducing the brew down to about a hundred mls or less. Once cooled, toss in enough washing soda so that it soaks up all the liquid, then you wait for it to dry. Then you simply do a few pulls from the dry paste with a solvent and evaporate the pulls/solvent onto an amount of herb(s). It really is that easy.



This gives you freebased full spectrum extract of any DMT-containing plant.



And just as a btw, if for any reason you have any residual base in your end result (like if you're using 91% Iso), one can simply give the Changa a quick water rinse and the base should come on off but the extract should stay in place. Also, when evaporating the pulls you might have some freebase oil stick to the sides of whatever you're evaporating it in, and so i usually just wet my finger with some solvent, and rub my finger across the places where the oil is and then be sure to wash my finger off with a little more solvent. This ensures you get every last little bit that you possibly can.



And for filtering, coffee filters work great 📷
Hi there, sounds like you're going for the method discussed extensively in this thread:
Here's another method that might prove even easier:

Whether you're going to need MAOI depends on your chosen ROA - oral: yes, use MAOI; vaped: optional but not obligatory. For it to be changa, it has to have MAOI (harmalas).

Search for everything changa, suitable herbs are almost anything non-toxic, with mullein (Verbascum spp.) being an all-round favourite.

Welcome to the Nexus!
 
Hi there, sounds like you're going for the method discussed extensively in this thread:
Here's another method that might prove even easier:

Whether you're going to need MAOI depends on your chosen ROA - oral: yes, use MAOI; vaped: optional but not obligatory. For it to be changa, it has to have MAOI (harmalas).

Search for everything changa, suitable herbs are almost anything non-toxic, with mullein (Verbascum spp.) being an all-round favourite.

Welcome to the Nexus!
Hi there, sounds like you're going for the method discussed extensively in this thread:
Here's another method that might prove even easier:

Whether you're going to need MAOI depends on your chosen ROA - oral: yes, use MAOI; vaped: optional but not obligatory. For it to be changa, it has to have MAOI (harmalas).

Search for everything changa, suitable herbs are almost anything non-toxic, with mullein (Verbascum spp.) being an all-round favourite.

Welcome to the Nexus!
Yo Thank you so much, this is wayyyy easier, I’m thinking of doing the vodka tek cuz I alr got a coffee grinder, but now that I’ve got this yellow liquid, I’m planning to bong it cuz I don’t have a vape, if oral, how do I add the MAOI? And how long will i be blasting off into space if oral?
 
Yo Thank you so much, this is wayyyy easier, I’m thinking of doing the vodka tek cuz I alr got a coffee grinder, but now that I’ve got this yellow liquid, I’m planning to bong it cuz I don’t have a vape, if oral, how do I add the MAOI? And how long will i be blasting off into space if oral?
I should emphasise that the TnT vodka tek still counts as somewhat experimental and the documentation is likely to get expanded as time progresses. It should produce something that's usable for making changa or enhanced leaf, and @blig-blug has documented several experiences with the extract.

MAOI usage should at least be outlined there, but oral dosing with a suitable form of harmalas can be achieved in several ways. The simplest and crudest is swallowing seeds of Syrian rue (Peganum harmala), but it's worth both exploring your options on this front and getting yourself accustomed to the harmala effects on their own.

Of course, some people take the plunge and go straight in with pharmahuasca, but you'd need to be sure of your doses to avoid a misfire/dud or an overwhelmingly intense experience. Check the harmala and pharmahuasca sections of the forum (scrolling down for a few miles/kilometers) but hit me up if you really struggle with finding the relevant info.

How exactly did you produce this "yellow liquid" of which you speak?

Finally, be sure to read and comprehend this harmala disclaimer beforehand as well:
 
IIRC, @Sakkadelic made changa with a TnT extract.
Oh, really? That one slipped under my radar (or out of my crumbling memory banks) so I'll have to check it out. Definitely seems plausible - some options for working in that direction have been discussed a little in the various relevant threads.
 
I should emphasise that the TnT vodka tek still counts as somewhat experimental and the documentation is likely to get expanded as time progresses. It should produce something that's usable for making changa or enhanced leaf, and @blig-blug has documented several experiences with the extract.

MAOI usage should at least be outlined there, but oral dosing with a suitable form of harmalas can be achieved in several ways. The simplest and crudest is swallowing seeds of Syrian rue (Peganum harmala), but it's worth both exploring your options on this front and getting yourself accustomed to the harmala effects on their own.

Of course, some people take the plunge and go straight in with pharmahuasca, but you'd need to be sure of your doses to avoid a misfire/dud or an overwhelmingly intense experience. Check the harmala and pharmahuasca sections of the forum (scrolling down for a few miles/kilometers) but hit me up if you really struggle with finding the relevant info.

How exactly did you produce this "yellow liquid" of which you speak?

Finally, be sure to read and comprehend this harmala disclaimer beforehand as well:
Thanks this is very helpful, I’m not in any medication or anything as of now, I haven’t produced this “yellow liquid” but based off the vodka tek I saw the final product was a yellow liquid and I didn’t know what to do with that.

After reading more posts and threads in this forum I realized I was on the hype train of dmt and was rushing this experience without fully preparing and understanding what I’m getting into, I’m going to read more and take better precautions before attempting to do any extractions.

Reading some threads here for first trips, I’ve had a couple experiences with acid and possibly hundreds with shrooms(picked them myself in the wild) but aside from those two I don’t really touch anything, never done mdma or party drugs, would it be wiser to do an extraction and dose that appropriately or should I dip my toes in the water by taking 3-4g of Syrian rue and 1.25-2g of MHRB to have a feel of what’s to come? Is the experience of orally taking rue and mhrb different then say making changa and smoking it, or getting freebase and having it in an ecig? And last is, how long would this oral trip last me, multiple peaks?, where in this forum could I find this information?

Edit: sorry for the long messages and tons of questions, thank you for your patience, much appreciated.
 
Oh, really? That one slipped under my radar (or out of my crumbling memory banks) so I'll have to check it out. Definitely seems plausible - some options for working in that direction have been discussed a little in the various relevant threads.
yes, I tried it. I wrote about my 2 extraction attempts and I made changa with it. I didn't conclude my writing there nor talked about how the changa was.
In summary, I managed to get a decent amount of goo that smelled strongly of dmt, I would guess it was of decent purity but I struggled with fully cleaning it from the various potential contaminates and fine particles. This led to the changa absorbing moisture and the dmt oxidizing over time (the changa did not feel significantly soft or wet but I strongly suspect it absorbed moisture). when I tried it fresh, a small amount had all the typical effects of a low dose dmt/changa effects, very exciting! a couple of weeks later and a bigger amount smoked, the trip missed the rapid launch effect of dmt and a few minutes later I had a 30 min or so trip more similar to a low dose ayahuasca experience. some more weeks later, sharing almost a full gram joint with a friend, there was no dmt effects, although the harmala high (and maybe the degraded dmt) was strong. I also have doubts about reducing the dmt alcohol and oxidation in an oxygen rich environment especially if heat is used.

I had pictures and a lot of detailed (mental) notes and thoughts about the experiments and results, but unfortunately, with the chaos of my/the world and being currently at a distance from these topics, I don't think I will be able to write something useful about it, unless I try it again in the future. overall I think the alcohol lime tek is promising for changa but there's some challenges to overcome, of course a re-x with a small amount of NPS at the end would likely solve these issues.
 
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Makes sense that it wasn't the most active, as the (yet to be published) analysis of the extract showed relatively low DMT content, at least when compared to the subjective effects of an oral dose. So I think it's likely that some of the other substances in it are able to potentiate its DMT orally but not as changa.
 
Makes sense that it wasn't the most active, as the (yet to be published) analysis of the extract showed relatively low DMT content, at least when compared to the subjective effects of an oral dose. So I think it's likely that some of the other substances in it are able to potentiate its DMT orally but not as changa.
Have you posted about the test results somewhere? Is there any chance of the low dmt content being due to oxidation?
 
This is rather interesting - does it mean we're seeing yuremamine activity from oral usage?

I was also pondering the utility of a carbon dioxide treatment of the tincture as a means of removing excess lime, the style of some of @modern's experiments.

There's clearly a certain amount of work to be done if one were to be aiming to achieve a reliably smoalkable product from this process. The GC-MS results should help inform future progress.
 
This is rather interesting - does it mean we're seeing yuremamine activity from oral usage?
I think that's unlikely, because yuremamine supposedly degrades in basic conditions. But there were other substances that haven't been fully confirmed yet but could be responsible for stronger or different effects, such as 2-MTHBC.

The DMT content of the final result (once all ethanol and water has been removed) was 20% (at least in my sample). That's not that low, but if one would assume it's mostly DMT, one would surely get an end result that's too weak.
 
I think that's unlikely, because yuremamine supposedly degrades in basic conditions. But there were other substances that haven't been fully confirmed yet but could be responsible for stronger or different effects, such as 2-MTHBC.

The DMT content of the final result (once all ethanol and water has been removed) was 20% (at least in my sample). That's not that low, but if one would assume it's mostly DMT, one would surely get an end result that's too weak.
Yes, I omitted a mass of qualifying nuances in the initial speculation, like "or other unspecified alkaloids, or biomolecules like flavonoids [etc.]" Yuremamine is of course a flavonoid-alkaloid, and certain flavonoids have been found to have MAOI and/or other metabolic effects.

While yuremamine clearly degrades on treatment with caustic soda or lime paste, we can't be certain that this is the case with a minimal lime treatment for tannin precipitation. A full GCMS analysis will throw more light on the question, and I can hardly wait :)

TLC testing can help give us a bit of an idea about what might be contained in the evaporated extract, despite being of minimal practical value when it comes to structural identification. I'll look into getting some tests set up. The other thing to try would be what you more or less mentioned, something like a mini A/B with a more usual NPS to see how things might clean up.

When examining the properties of the extract from an experiential point of view, how were you calibrating the dose with respect to the initial amount of bark extracted? Putting some figures on that would be very useful. Then we can proceed to squaring up the measured DMT content versus the perceived intensity of subjective effects.
 
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