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Check the material safety sheet to ensure its 100% pure with no additives or other impurities. If pure, It can likely be used as a solvent. What solvent for what use depends on what you are extracting and what tek you plan to follow.
Beyond what @_Trip_ says, limonene can be quite a decent solvent for a lot of different things, but you have to be aware that it's less volatile than a lot of other solvents commonly used in extractions and can have a tendency to leave your product with a noticeable orange aroma (as well as your house).
It's also a tad more reactive than some solvents, leading to the formation of (an) oxidation product(s) which is/are less volatile and smells of stale spearmint. This reactivity also makes it somewhat unsuitable for use with hydrochloric acid, especially the more concentrated acid.
It's also a tad more reactive than some solvents, leading to the formation of (an) oxidation product(s) which is/are less volatile and smells of stale spearmint. This reactivity also makes it somewhat unsuitable for use with hydrochloric acid, especially the more concentrated acid.
coimeádaí fearainn
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Tek 1 The jimjam party, i just cannot find the bottle that is in the oictures on the tek. Is it possible to find this stuff in a hardware store or supermarket? Instead if ordering online. I am proceeding with extra caution at each step as the tek says tge ingredients need to be be exact.
coimeádaí fearainn
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I am not too fussed about the limonene aroma, I will be just doing small practice batches to learn steps and processes first. Once i get the hang of it I will move onto more advanced teks and chemicals.
Just so long as whatever you get is clear and colourless; pressed citrus oil can be orange in colour and it's better to avoid introducing unnecessary impurities like that.
Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki
Which of the necessary materials do you already have?
Do you have any alternatives lined up?
coimeádaí fearainn
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I can get lime and vinegar easily and at very little expense. I have read through many teks and this one stood out to me. I am willing to try any. I am jyst worried I wont be able to get the necessary item that are used in each tek here in Ireland. I would really appreciate the names of the exact stuff i should be using so i can order it online without any worries.Just so long as whatever you get is clear and colourless; pressed citrus oil can be orange in colour and it's better to avoid introducing unnecessary impurities like that.
Is there a particular reason why you're choosing this specific method?Q21Q21's Vinegar/Lime A/B Extraction Tek - DMT-Nexus Wiki
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Which of the necessary materials do you already have?
Do you have any alternatives lined up?
You'll be good with limonene for 3D printer cleaning. Your main concern is OpSec if for any reason "active plant material" has to get delivered to an address associated with you (which it shouldn't
)Note that the q21q21 limetek also mentions vegetable oil as a possible solvent, and people have experimented with this.
If you have lime but still struggle to find a suitable solvent, bear in mind that there's even an experimental "backwards" version where vodka is used to extract the bark, followed by adding lime to remove the tannin. It worked in the sense of producing a crude freebase tincture, which would be amenable to further processing.
coimeádaí fearainn
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(Which it shouldnt) didnt take me anywhere when I clicked on it? I am not so worried as I can buy the plant material in the UK its just a lot more expensive. But worth it knowing it will be delivered and I dont think its considered active in my country until you start the extraction process. Like sensimilla seeds are legal until potted. Vodka and vegetable oil as alternatives really align with how i like to keep things more natural, I may be wrong but I imagine limonene would have a stronger effect in extraction qnd that is the end goal for me. To have a potent entheogen.You'll be good with limonene for 3D printer cleaning. Your main concern is OpSec if for any reason "active plant material" has to get delivered to an address associated with you ( which it shouldn't
Note that the q21q21 limetek also mentions vegetable oil as a possible solvent, and people have experimented with this.
If you have lime but still struggle to find a suitable solvent, bear in mind that there's even an experimental "backwards" version where vodka is used to extract the bark, followed by adding lime to remove the tannin. It worked in the sense of producing a crude freebase tincture, which would be amenable to further processing.
Thank you very much for your information, I really love this site!
I think I will take the plunge on pay day and gather everything for my sacrament. One more question, can jimjam be used to make changa?
Funny, it works for me… maybe it's your browser settings?
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If you extract DMT, it's still DMT. By your logic, we should be extracting it using nitromethane
You do have something of a point - if the DMT has a lower purity, so if the process yields a product with more impurities, the subjective effects per dose of a given mass will most likely be diminished. The other aspect you may be thinking of is the overall yield, being a function of the extraction efficiency.
On that first point, none of the solvents (limonene, veg oil or vodka) will be as selective as naphtha, particularly if you're only using acetic acid/vinegar for recovering the alkaloid out of the limonene (or veg oil).
The TnT vodka tek is a somewhat different beast, probably even less selective, and the final stage of retrieving a solid product remains to be developed (besides evaporating the vodka, of course).
@modern has done a certain amount of work on getting alkaloid salts to crystallise out of vodka but afaik it could do with being tabulated.
Sorry, that's a whole lot of waffle that may be superfluous to a first-time extractor! If it helps you home in on a suitable method for your available materials I'll be very happy.
Here's something possibly relevant that resurfaced a couple of weeks ago, for example:
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Veggie Oil Extraction Log
Time to play catch up as we race into the new age. This log will be geared for the authorship of my Compendium for the Extraction of Jurema--the first tier in a three tier project including the development of Juremala and The Inspirator mkII--but toward that end, results and input from others...
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coimeádaí fearainn
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Your right I am looking for a higher yield not potency as you said if its DMT its DMTFunny, it works for me… maybe it's your browser settings?
yes
If you extract DMT, it's still DMT. By your logic, we should be extracting it using nitromethane
You do have something of a point - if the DMT has a lower purity, so if the process yields a product with more impurities, the subjective effects per dose of a given mass will most likely be diminished. The other aspect you may be thinking of is the overall yield, being a function of the extraction efficiency.
On that first point, none of the solvents (limonene, veg oil or vodka) will be as selective as naphtha, particularly if you're only using acetic acid/vinegar for recovering the alkaloid out of the limonene (or veg oil).
The TnT vodka tek is a somewhat different beast, probably even less selective, and the final stage of retrieving a solid product remains to be developed (besides evaporating the vodka, of course).
@modern has done a certain amount of work on getting alkaloid salts to crystallise out of vodka but afaik it could do with being tabulated.
Sorry, that's a whole lot of waffle that may be superfluous to a first-time extractor! If it helps you home in on a suitable method for your available materials I'll be very happy.
. What I meant to say is a more potent solvent probably extracts more, but I am a total beginner so I am just firing out badly worded questions 
.For my first time around the cosmic kitchen I was going to go with the safest ingredients. But if i exercise enough caution that wont matter. I am just going to get a bunch of ingredients and try as many teks, to see which is the most suitable for me.
Thank you so much for your time and the knowledge you have given me.
If you can get good lye and naphtha, I'd say cut to the chase already
I'm standing by should you happen to go for something a bit more exotic. There's always a way, even if it involves brewing and distilling your own vodka and burning rocks and ashes to make alkali
I'm standing by should you happen to go for something a bit more exotic. There's always a way, even if it involves brewing and distilling your own vodka and burning rocks and ashes to make alkali