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I'm a pure naturalist at heart and I'm very keen to smoke DMT, ive been journeying with enthogens for about 7 and a half years now and i feel I'm ready to journey with DMT. The main problem is i don't feel that the extractions i have read are natural enough for me. My philosophy is if i cant find it in the forest its not natural enough. Any one have any suggestions? :)

Much Peace
 
yes there is a tek that uses lemonene as the non polar solvent.. try to run a search and see if you can find it.. i will try to find it again

SWIM never found lemonene where he lives so he could never do it but its definitely interesting and indeed it must feel better to extract something using a solvent made from distilled lemon peels instead of from petrol
 
OK, so you're in the forest...

You have a camp fire, pot, water and you boil your plant material. Grab some oranges as well, squeeze 1 in the brew to acidify it. Eat the rest and save the skins!!!!

While the brew is brewing go down the beach, grab some seashells. Crush them to a fine powder. This is going to be a fair amount of calcium carbonate. Throw the crushed seashells in the fire for a good amount of time. This will turn them to lime, and this is going to be your base.

And as long as this lengthy stuff is going is going on, grab those orange skins and distil them! One may need a kilo of orange peels to begin with, but what the hell, in the name of natural extraction this should not be a burden.

By distilling the orange peels you'll get a fair amount of d-limonene, a non-polar solvent that can be used to pull spice out.

Get the brew out of the fire and strain it. Grab the totally roasted crushed seashells, throw them in the brew. Solution gets basified. Now throw in the d-limonene, stir, stir stir and let the layers separate. Siphon off the limonene and evaporate it.

End result: Crude freebased smokeable spice ala forest!
 
Many of the solvents used in these extractions are natural. Although I guess digging into the earth pumping crude oil and distilling it isn't viewed as a 'natural' thing to do.

Anyway if you want something a bit more green check out the non toxic limonene tek in this section of the forum. SWIMs imaginary friend observed that spice is very well soluble in d-limonene. The problem is evaporating the limonene at the end will be a messy goo. SWIM thinks redissovling the goo in pure alcohol (which is sort of natural 😉 ) and re-evaporating it would get rid of residual limonene.

The other alternative is to stick to the preparations used by natives. They did it all in the forest. If you want a reasonably pure compound you are going to have to take some un-natural routes.
 
Thank you everyone for such awesome input ;) Ill defiantly be trying the lemonene Teq. When i do ill post the results that's for sure.

Much Smiles and Happiness
 
also even if the goo left during lemonene evaporation doesnt harden even after redissolving and evaping again in alcohol, one can always try soaking herbs in the resulting product (or dissolving it in alcohol, mixing some herbs and letting evaporate).

I dont know how well, whats the taste and what would be the byproducts of the combustion of lemonene remains, though..
 
I dont know how well, whats the taste and what would be the byproducts of the combustion of lemonene remains, though..
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It will probably taste quite good. But limonene is reasonably safe in small quantities. If you inhale too much it will irritate the throat and lungs most likely. It would be like inhaling too much essential oils, which can get dangerous in larger amounts (depends on the oil). As long as you stay within whatever typical essential oil safety range is you'll be fine. Limonene does have a lot of beneficial effects for health in smaller doses such as anti cancer, weak acetylcholine esterase inhibitor (helps with memory loss etc), anti microbial etc.
 
burnt said:
I dont know how well, whats the taste and what would be the byproducts of the combustion of lemonene remains, though..
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It will probably taste quite good. But limonene is reasonably safe in small quantities. If you inhale too much it will irritate the throat and lungs most likely. It would be like inhaling too much essential oils, which can get dangerous in larger amounts (depends on the oil). As long as you stay within whatever typical essential oil safety range is you'll be fine. Limonene does have a lot of beneficial effects for health in smaller doses such as anti cancer, weak acetylcholine esterase inhibitor (helps with memory loss etc), anti microbial etc.
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yes you are obviously right. But you are talking about breathing lemonene vapours or ingesting it. Isnt it possible that combustion might result in more toxic (or at least less healthy) by products? or will it only evap away?
 
how is the best way to get the spice out of the lemonene without evapping or if evapped how can it be cleaned in a more natural way than pulling and fp'ing with naptha ?
 
Phlux see above where we talk about using alcohol to clean up evaporated down limonene. as far as extracting it out and not evaporating some kind of salt type method could be tried maybe something like FASA or something along those lines SWIM doesn't know has never thought much about it.

yes you are obviously right. But you are talking about breathing lemonene vapours or ingesting it. Isnt it possible that combustion might result in more toxic (or at least less healthy) by products? or will it only evap away?
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depends how intense you burn it. if you vaporize then no it will be reasonably safe. think about aroma therapy or candles that burn essential oils same idea except you are directly inhaling. burning anything produces dangerous by products vaporizing reduces that.
 
SWIM has smoked DMT with d-limonene residue on it and the smoke is very smooth. The d-limonene makes the DMT taste somewhat like oranges, instead of that strange plastic taste. It’s a vast improvement in flavor if you ask SWIM. SWIM could not detect any effects from the d-limonene residue other than the pleasant taste.

Unless there’s some adverse health effect (and their probably isn’t) from the d-limonene residue, I see no reason to attempt to remove it. It improves the flavor quite a lot.
 
69ron i agree why remove it if its not toxic and completely natural and as you said it adds yummy flavor to ;)

Much Peace
 
69ron said:
SWIM has smoked DMT with d-limonene residue on it and the smoke is very smooth. The d-limonene makes the DMT taste somewhat like oranges, instead of that strange plastic taste. It’s a vast improvement in flavor if you ask SWIM. SWIM could not detect any effects from the d-limonene residue other than the pleasant taste.

Unless there’s some adverse health effect (and their probably isn’t) from the d-limonene residue, I see no reason to attempt to remove it. It improves the flavor quite a lot.
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what do you mean by 'dmt with d-limonene residue' in it? how was it extracted? was it just the evapping result from an a/b using lemonene as non polar solvent? or was there extra steps after?
 
Had to dig this treasure of a topic back up.

Infundibulum said:
OK, so you're in the forest...

You have a camp fire, pot, water and you boil your plant material. Grab some oranges as well, squeeze 1 in the brew to acidify it. Eat the rest and save the skins!!!!

While the brew is brewing go down the beach, grab some seashells. Crush them to a fine powder. This is going to be a fair amount of calcium carbonate. Throw the crushed seashells in the fire for a good amount of time. This will turn them to lime, and this is going to be your base.

And as long as this lengthy stuff is going is going on, grab those orange skins and distil them! One may need a kilo of orange peels to begin with, but what the hell, in the name of natural extraction this should not be a burden.

By distilling the orange peels you'll get a fair amount of d-limonene, a non-polar solvent that can be used to pull spice out.

Get the brew out of the fire and strain it. Grab the totally roasted crushed seashells, throw them in the brew. Solution gets basified. Now throw in the d-limonene, stir, stir stir and let the layers separate. Siphon off the limonene and evaporate it.

End result: Crude freebased smokeable spice ala forest!
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Neat. Except camping in the forest & bringing a lab grade distiller isn't very
natural. So I guess this could be done by using a fairly low-tech distiller.
One like this, or something similair fashioned from a pot or kettle.
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You may need to get creative with the cooling system & the pumping of the coolant,
but it should stay simple & natural.

The Orange peels may also contain some water, right? Perhaps the orange peels can be
grinded to shreds & covered in salt to pull out the water first? Assuming the salt
will not absorb any dlimonene, the dehydrated peels can then be further crushed &
thrown into the distiller. You will need some glass/pyrex beakers & flasks though.

burnt said:
Anyway if you want something a bit more green check out the non toxic limonene tek in this section of the forum. SWIMs imaginary friend observed that spice is very well soluble in d-limonene. The problem is evaporating the limonene at the end will be a messy goo.
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If the season & climate zone permit it and there is frost, or if you're willing to be
a bit less natural & use liquid nitrogen or a freezer, then you could try to Freeze Precipitate the Spice out of the d-limonene.( If that is possible. Is it? )

Perhaps that would result in much cleaner Spice than the goo you described from
evaporating the dlimonene like SWIMs imaginary friend did?

And if you have this goo, from evaporating the dlimonene, then perhaps you could
wash away the impurities with cold water? Mix goo & cold water well & let it sit
for abt. 1 hour, then add dlimone, mix & wait and then siphon off the dlimone.
Evaporating this dlimonene might yield a purer product too, without doing anything
too unnatural.
 
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