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Hey Art,
If not getting loaded was part of the deal, and given your past, and your overuse, then yes you definitely made the right decision.

Still, I hope you're glad you tried DMT- the more SWIM thinks about, the more he appreciates how it has changed him. It always makes him think of what Jorkest told me before SWIM's first launch: "Nothing will ever be the same". It's so true, it has transformed SWIM, and he feels honoured to have stumbled upon the opportunity to experience this. But he doesn't feel the need for it anymore- the change feels permanent- so don't feel like you're missing out by moving on. Consider yourself graduated from plant-teacher school! Because you've been a pupil of the master, and personally I feel that after an apprenticeship with this tutor, you really don't need any more plant schooling.

My 'martyrdom' thoughts weren't directed at you at all- I wasn't viewing your actions specifically as sacrificial, and didn't realise it could be construed this way. They were general remarks, but they were also intended to make LLB think- believe it or not I felt like I should tell him that just in case he was sacrificing his own happiness for others. If I upset you, LLB, I'm sorry, but honestly there isn't much harm in you being told so. If you ARE putting others before yourself, I hope my words will help you to see yourself as an equal, rather than a servant.

I wasn't suggesting that Warren's relationship model doesn't work- it does work for some people, when administered in a liberal and loving, rather than a controlling manner. It's the administration that's the kicker. I'm glad that Warren's words have helped you. I am open and honest with friends and lovers too, but because that's the way I am, not because it's how I'm meant to behave. Actually I used to be described by old friends as 'too honest' because I'd offer information that 'normal' people like to hide (until I met more open people to be friends with). I am just personally more tolerent towards people wanting a little privacy, although I wasn't that way when I was younger. Of course keeping serious secrets can be detrimental, it depends on how it affects the secret-keeper. But as Antrocles explained, some things are better left unsaid. Whatever works for YOUR relationship is of course the right thing to do.

Art, I've always enjoyed your posts. I wish you and your family all the best. You're lucky to have a friend like Antrocles. "Love & gratitude!"

<blockquote data-quote="ohayoco" data-source="post: 3260707" data-attributes="member: 1093">Hey Art,If not getting loaded was part of the deal, and given your past, and your overuse, then yes you definitely made the right decision.Still, I hope you&#039;re glad you tried DMT- the more SWIM thinks about, the more he appreciates how it has changed him.&nbsp; It always makes him think of what Jorkest told me before SWIM&#039;s first launch: &quot;Nothing will ever be the same&quot;.&nbsp; It&#039;s so true, it has transformed SWIM, and he feels honoured to have stumbled upon the opportunity to experience this.&nbsp; But he doesn&#039;t feel the need for it anymore- the change feels permanent- so don&#039;t feel like you&#039;re missing out by moving on.&nbsp; Consider yourself graduated from plant-teacher school!&nbsp; Because you&#039;ve been a pupil of the master, and personally I feel that after an apprenticeship with this tutor, you really don&#039;t need any more plant schooling.My &#039;martyrdom&#039; thoughts weren&#039;t directed at you at all- I wasn&#039;t viewing your actions specifically as sacrificial, and didn&#039;t realise it could be construed this way.&nbsp; They were general remarks, but they were also intended to make LLB think- believe it or not I felt like I should tell him that just in case he was sacrificing his own happiness for others.&nbsp; If I upset you, LLB, I&#039;m sorry, but honestly there isn&#039;t much harm in you being told so.&nbsp; If you ARE putting others before yourself, I hope my words will help you to see yourself as an equal, rather than a servant.I wasn&#039;t suggesting that Warren&#039;s relationship model doesn&#039;t work- it does work for some people, when administered in a liberal and loving, rather than a controlling manner.&nbsp; It&#039;s the administration that&#039;s the kicker.&nbsp; I&#039;m glad that Warren&#039;s words have helped you.&nbsp; I am open and honest with friends and lovers too, but because that&#039;s the way I am, not because it&#039;s how I&#039;m meant to behave.&nbsp; Actually I used to be described by old friends as &#039;too honest&#039; because I&#039;d offer information that &#039;normal&#039; people like to hide (until I met more open people to be friends with).&nbsp; I am just personally more tolerent towards people wanting a little privacy, although I wasn&#039;t that way when I was younger.&nbsp; Of course keeping serious secrets can be detrimental, it depends on how it affects the secret-keeper.&nbsp; But as Antrocles explained, some things are better left unsaid.&nbsp; Whatever works for YOUR relationship is of course the right thing to do.Art, I&#039;ve always enjoyed your posts.&nbsp; I wish you and your family all the best.&nbsp; You&#039;re lucky to have a friend like Antrocles. &quot;Love &amp; gratitude!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ohayoco, post: 3260707, member: 1093"] Hey Art, If not getting loaded was part of the deal, and given your past, and your overuse, then yes you definitely made the right decision. Still, I hope you're glad you tried DMT- the more SWIM thinks about, the more he appreciates how it has changed him. It always makes him think of what Jorkest told me before SWIM's first launch: "Nothing will ever be the same". It's so true, it has transformed SWIM, and he feels honoured to have stumbled upon the opportunity to experience this. But he doesn't feel the need for it anymore- the change feels permanent- so don't feel like you're missing out by moving on. Consider yourself graduated from plant-teacher school! Because you've been a pupil of the master, and personally I feel that after an apprenticeship with this tutor, you really don't need any more plant schooling. My 'martyrdom' thoughts weren't directed at you at all- I wasn't viewing your actions specifically as sacrificial, and didn't realise it could be construed this way. They were general remarks, but they were also intended to make LLB think- believe it or not I felt like I should tell him that just in case he was sacrificing his own happiness for others. If I upset you, LLB, I'm sorry, but honestly there isn't much harm in you being told so. If you ARE putting others before yourself, I hope my words will help you to see yourself as an equal, rather than a servant. I wasn't suggesting that Warren's relationship model doesn't work- it does work for some people, when administered in a liberal and loving, rather than a controlling manner. It's the administration that's the kicker. I'm glad that Warren's words have helped you. I am open and honest with friends and lovers too, but because that's the way I am, not because it's how I'm meant to behave. Actually I used to be described by old friends as 'too honest' because I'd offer information that 'normal' people like to hide (until I met more open people to be friends with). I am just personally more tolerent towards people wanting a little privacy, although I wasn't that way when I was younger. Of course keeping serious secrets can be detrimental, it depends on how it affects the secret-keeper. But as Antrocles explained, some things are better left unsaid. Whatever works for YOUR relationship is of course the right thing to do. Art, I've always enjoyed your posts. I wish you and your family all the best. You're lucky to have a friend like Antrocles. "Love & gratitude!" [/QUOTE]