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Confusion, Remembering, and Understanding

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Fractalyzed

Fractalyzed

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Hello,
I've recently started visiting the DMT world we call hyperspace, and i've many questions to understanding and experiencing these flights.
I have broken through about 4 times and have experienced LSD, Psilocybin, MDMA, and DXM in the past.

Now, when i take my DMT hits and start to break through, it seems like my mind is overwhelmed with what to do, how to react, and absorb what i'm seeing. I'm assuming i'm in so much awe that i can't make anything of it, or that maybe i'm tired at night since i dose around midnight or 1 in the morning and fall asleep shortly thereafter.
Throughout the trip i think of very random and insignificant thoughts (which frustrates me because i feel like i'm wasting potential) and i keep thinking of what i SHOULD be doing to experience this trip "correctly"; I don't know why i insist on thinking on what *should* be done when a trip should be experienced for what it is. I feel like i'm not truly absorbing what i'm seeing throughout the trip and experiencing it passively, i guess...
I can't seem to remember much after trip, either, so in turn, when i come back to reality and eventually return to baseline, it's as if nothing ever happened pretty much. I don't feel like i've gained anything from the trip; it's as if the trip was insignificant, but was actually tremendous while experiencing it.

Also, about OEVs and CEVs. I'm not sure if i've broken through with my eyes open, which i heard happens. With my eyes open, i fall in a trance with the visuals i am seeing. Since i do my trips on my bed (dimly lit room with very low music in the background), i seem to mainly focus on the pillow or wall in front of me. The more intently I focus on these material objects, the more they begin to morph so wildly with images and fractals and patterns that i'm taken away by it, while my body feels as if it were sinking away, or being tugged out, or profoundly relaxed; i don't know how to put it into words... I'm unsure if this would be considered a break through because i don't feel like i've gone to "hyperspace", but these visuals are as vivid as ever with my eyes open and i have this sensation throughout my body that feels as if my body is leaving.
My definition of a breakthrough or the experiences that i use as a reference, is when i close my eyes and go to a black place filled with colors and shapes everywhere and someone or something is always there. And sometimes, i even feel things physically! I've felt something blow into my left ear or a line of pressure drawn onto the right side of my head!

I feel like i'm rambling, and i'm not sure what you guys would make of all this, but i'm essentially asking: how can i get the most out of my trip to remember it and gain some significance from it or at least absorb what i'm seeing?

Notes: I trip around midnight or 1 in the morning with a small pipe using cannabis as my changa. I take about 2 or 3 steady, slow, longgg draws. I've also recently started taking melatonin, but i can't really compare to without melatonin.

Thank you, travelers, for your time and patience in reading and helping! :lol:
 
Welcome!

The fact you mention that “maybe” you’re tired suggests that maybe you indeed are tired. How about journeying at an earlier hour, when you’re still mentally alert and fresh?

Different people have different opinions regarding open eyes vs. closed eyes, but I always travel with eyes closed. Everyday reality tends to “compete” with the visuals when eyes are open.

The term “breakthrough” is not well-defined, and what constitutes a breakthrough is very subjective, but based on your description, I’d say you haven’t yet had a full breakthrough. The experience goes much, much deeper than seeing colors and shapes, as I’m sure you’ll discover as you continue.
 
Hey Fractalized =)

I can´t really speak for others but for me it really helps to set my intentions straight when i am preparing for the session and as i´m about to smoke, it kinda helps me to stay in focus during the trip. Also a good set and setting r very important for me. I smoke it with a candle lit but very quickly i turn it off, the light turns too strong for me.
Also when you breakthrough It really doesn´t matter if your eyes r opened or closed, you will not be in your room no more ;)
Maybe you should try another herb for the bed, mentha is quite nice and cannabis will only help you to feel sleepy and tired.
Best wishes for your journeys
 
As mentioned earlier, breakthroughs are defined differently, but from your descriptions, it sounds like you've only made it to a sub-breakthrough zone that I've experienced many times.
My sub-breakthrough zones consist of a very fast feedback loop of visuals, usually of beings, but they tend to just make faces at me or just move very fast. I am usually frustrated in and after those experiences, as all I experienced was a rushing sensation and a mass of visuals, but no cosmic hugs from beings.
I also find that, while cannabis works pretty well as a leaf base, especially one that's easily available, it can cloud the experience for me and leave me remembering less of the experience. I have had breakthroughs with cannabis as a leaf bed, i just feel like its more smoke to hold in, more effects to be integrated into the experience, and the experience may lose clarity or direction, most often when its sub-breakthrough. Maybe pick a light sativa bud for your next trip.
If you can't obtain any other herbs for your leaf bed, I'm sure you will breakthrough using cannabis, I just prefer to use other herbs these days.
I suggest doing it when your less tired as well. Go into the experience after you have cleared your thoughts, and enter the experience as a listener, not a seeker. Surrender to the experience if you haven't already resigned yourself to that.
Many revelations come to me after the peak of the experience, when I have a good 15-20 minutes of glowing clarity. Thats why I suggest doing it when you're less tired, post-trip integration is key if you ask me.
Good luck! :)
 
cave paintings said:
My sub-breakthrough zones consist of a very fast feedback loop of visuals, usually of beings, but they tend to just make faces at me or just move very fast. I am usually frustrated in and after those experiences, as all I experienced was a rushing sensation and a mass of visuals, but no cosmic hugs from beings.
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Ah, this sounds exactly like what i'm experiencing!
During the breakthrough it's kind of like frustration in that i dont know what the heck is going on through this 'rush'. After these sub-breakthroughs, i'm not 'frustrated' per say because i enjoyed the flurry of the trip greatly, but i do feel like there's more to it, which keeps me craving and having these urges for spice more and more to truly experience it.
Throughout the trip, i try to focus on letting myself go and relaxing completely to achieve 'surrendering', but i'm not sure i've been so successful.

I tend to do my trips at night because i feel that's when i'm most serene for the experience, but i shall keep experimenting with times, doses, and technique to achieve the profound experience of DMT.

Thank you guys for the warm welcome and all the help! Any more advice or words of wisdom are welcomed and appreciated!:)
 
Dump the weed when smoking, if I vape some changa after smoking weed, I will remember very little.

On alot of journey's I have a real problem holding onto what I could "see", and maybe thats what plays a part in what I get out of the experience, these times it will be just a blank, only the tears on my face are there to reasure me id smoked DMT. The times when I go in with not very much expectations, and a smaller than normal dose, are the times that are most profound.

You dont mention dose size, maybe you are smoking too much? Try and start low dose and work your way up adding 5-10mg.

Really though, the weed does cause that "foggy/blank" effect, not with everyone, but with alot of people.
 
I don't trip when tired. It doesn't work for me. And I never trip when stoned. Actually I quit smoking cannabis. It just makes my mind foggy and I loose focus.
And it sounds like you haven't had a proper breakthrough.

Try this:
Trip when well rested and leave the cannabis.
And how much are you smoking. By your description it sounds like a sub breakthrough dose. Maybe you should add 5-10mg's.

Well good luck and I hope you can find your way to hyperspace :)
 
I think a lot of the time, people get too caught up in a specific "mission" that they're looking to complete. More often than not, it seems like the entities have other plans/things to show you than what you may have been seeking out. So on one hand it can be healthy to state your intentions and whatnot before going into the trip, and on the other, it can provide a significant source of frustration when your mind unfolds in ways you didn't intend. I think you're best off reserving thought and judgment for after the trip in retrospect of the whole experience, and just to pay attention to what's going on around you during the trip. Catch those details you might have missed getting caught up in being intellectually disappointed so you can remember and interpret them later.
 
You dont mention dose size, maybe you are smoking too much? Try and start low dose and work your way up adding 5-10mg.
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Never thought one could smoke too much of it, but I'm dosing around 50 mg more or less, which should be fine, though i might need a bit more for that true breakthrough.

Dump the weed when smoking, if I vape some changa after smoking weed, I will remember very little.
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I was thinking this could also be part of the issue in retaining what i'm seeing or holding onto what i see.
Thing is i don't have any other herbs to use for changa.

Should I just use a lot of filter on the pipe and do straight spice?

Trip when well rested
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This is the plan for my next trip, though i was never REALLY tired when i've done it.

people get too caught up in a specific "mission" that they're looking to complete....-- So on one hand it can be healthy to state your intentions and whatnot before going into the trip, and on the other, it can provide a significant source of frustration when your mind unfolds in ways you didn't intend.
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I think this could apply to me. I try to set what it is exactly what i'm looking for (a goal? self realization?) before I trip, but i'm not even clear on what it is i'm looking for in the first place.


Thanks for all the great feedback, again! Further input is still welcomed and i will keep you guys updated on further experiences. :)
 
Also, in addition to weed creating some memory troubles, from what I'm to understand, it clouds the DMT's effects even during the actual experience. In terms of intentions, you might wanna start with something broad so that you have a general direction, but so you can enjoy the trip despite the information you may draw from it.
 
I'm going to increase the dose a bit probably, but i think it's also my technique or persistence in taking another hit.
Every time i've sprinkled a good amount of spice on my herb, i take 1 really big hit followed by a couple more hits that aren't as big because i'm caught in the daze, and that leads me to the sub-zone. Thing is, after i come back, the herb still has a enough spice coated and melted around it to get a few more very strong OEVs, so i need to take bigger hits or just keeping hitting it until i can't any more. ;P

I will attempt another blast-off in the following days and inform of the strength of the trip :)
Thanks again!
 
I've reached a point now when i'm tired the stuff won't work at all on me. It doesn't mater what i do it simply has no effect.

Over time from lots of journeying i am starting to remember things and recognize familiar entities and repeating experiences.

in the beginning its very chaotic and confusing . I would say just try and stay focussed and breath through the experiences.

stay open and have no expectations. No expectations can be an intent in itself.

Trying to just hold it togethor and breath through a journey is a good starting point.
don't read too much on nexus if you can. Just begin to develop your own personal relationship with the spice.
forget the pressure of trying to figure it out just flow with it and see what unfolds.

I have found that an open, sincere and loving vibe is the best way to get inside
 
DMTripper said:
Why don't you try to leave the cannabis. For me it totally ruins the trip.
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Although i am a nightly stoner, I will most definitely be avoiding cannabis on my next ride in hopes of a clearer and more memorable trip. :)

Felnik said:
stay open and have no expectations. stay focussed and breath through the experiences.
I have found that an open, sincere and loving vibe is the best way to get inside
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This is my plan, as well.

I remember that what brought me to love this spice was the warm and welcoming feeling i got from my first and most profound experience with spice in which i seemed to enter a black room of infinite dimensions with two invisible entities outlined and shaped by circles of colors. I remember as the trip was slowly fading away and coming to an end, i could feel these presences fading and saying goodbye, but i had a terribly strong urge for them not to leave, which brought me back to more spice.
The intention of my next trip after that was to visit these 'friends' of mine, but i've yet to encounter these pleasurable entities again; maybe due to less successful launches or just because trips vary and it hasn't happened again. I guess this could be considered an 'expectation' as well, however.

I'm waiting for the right time to trip now to put all this advice into effect, and i have a couple of friends (one that i've smoked spice with before) that want to blast-off together at the end of this week, so i'll see how that goes if i feel comfortable enough because i see this now as a more personal experience.

Thanks for the words of wisdom.
 
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