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"Consider other plant sources"
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Dreamwalker
Rising Star
I've been saying this for a while now.
There are other plant sources other than MHRB.
Dreamer posted some good links.
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There are other plant sources other than MHRB.
Dreamer posted some good links.
:thumb_up:
The only real difference in working with other plant sources is you'll typically have to use an a/b style tek with some defats or a drytek style tek as opposed to a stb.
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Dreamwalker said:
Yes, that's what I'm telling you. You need to make sure you follow the defatting steps thoroughly, and depending on the botanical source there may be n-oxide or other such alkaloids present that may require solvents like xylene or d-limonine in place of naphtha.
There's a couple of obvious runners up, the most likely replacement plants for MHRB. Does anybody else feel reluctance to speak publicly about the runners up they're looking into?
With MHRB down for the count, I feel that the two or three best replacements may come under federal scrutiny, I mean federal clamp-down, pretty soon.
A minor inconvenience I guess.
With MHRB down for the count, I feel that the two or three best replacements may come under federal scrutiny, I mean federal clamp-down, pretty soon.
A minor inconvenience I guess.
flickedbic
Rising Star
Kinda but it's not like they aren't known already.....
Start planting all the entheogens now... all over the place. Let's selectively repopulate the planet. Seed bombs are pretty neat 8)
Anyways it looks like more people who are interested will now be channeled towards the traditional brew.
Start planting all the entheogens now... all over the place. Let's selectively repopulate the planet. Seed bombs are pretty neat 8)
Anyways it looks like more people who are interested will now be channeled towards the traditional brew.
Seeds bombs....are a gimmicky little bit of silliness that the permaculture people talk about, not because it really does any good, but because it sounds neat,. draws in new people. Just my opinion, as a person who is into gardening and who has talked to many permaculture activist people. Plant a seed and tend it lovingly. Let the birds spread "seed bombs". Fine, I guess entheogenic seed bombs on coorporate and government offices, well, that's kind of cool. Then again, they will just spray more round-up.
It's a rebellious, subversive and wholesome bit of nonsense, a silly meme which will go about as far as orgonite bombs did--nowhere.
Leading us more towards the traditional brew is maybe a good thing. Less attractive to dealers, who just f-up the scene for us. Deeper, more mature and grounded experience....no need for use of petro-chems, which some of us feel a bit leery towards. All in all I can say "thanks, big-brother government!", and almost sound sincere saying so.
It's a rebellious, subversive and wholesome bit of nonsense, a silly meme which will go about as far as orgonite bombs did--nowhere.
Leading us more towards the traditional brew is maybe a good thing. Less attractive to dealers, who just f-up the scene for us. Deeper, more mature and grounded experience....no need for use of petro-chems, which some of us feel a bit leery towards. All in all I can say "thanks, big-brother government!", and almost sound sincere saying so.
Not yet....
But the task would prove daunting.
Maybe they should just crack down on every plant. Like instead of having a big list of dangerous plants, just have a small list of "safe" plants. Don't get caught with a plant that's not on the safe list! I guess about 10 or 20 plants would be on that list. No blue blooded man in God's America would be caught dead with a plant not on that list!
But the task would prove daunting.
Maybe they should just crack down on every plant. Like instead of having a big list of dangerous plants, just have a small list of "safe" plants. Don't get caught with a plant that's not on the safe list! I guess about 10 or 20 plants would be on that list. No blue blooded man in God's America would be caught dead with a plant not on that list!
i know it seems daunting to some to venture away from mhrb, but the same principle applies across the board for extracting dmt from plants. theres some slight variations of technique for example extra defats for plants with more clorophyll/fats/oils ...stb might not always be the way to go with certain species.. its really pretty simple though and i think we should be clear in acknowledging that the dmt from other plant sources is of just as good quality and often in just as good, if not better yields
....i know of acacia for example that have equally high yields and in my opinion equal quality extract to mhrb. acacia acuminata is a western australian acacia with around 1% dmt in the phyllodes! (like leaves.. acacia has stem extensions instead) and 1.5% in the bark. a phyllode source with the same yield as mimosa.. hmm sounds pretty good doesn't it.
no more rootbark needed and you needn't harm the tree you grow either... pick a few phyllodes for a brew or extraction when you need them and you have yourself a sustainable dmt source that will provide you with a lifetime of spice.
I'd also like to raise the issue of acacia confusa import. I know that for now it is pretty under the radar and easy to get, but if people keep importing the plant and more and more people start recognising it as a good dmt source, once again all the spotlight will move to confusa, and we will end up with a similar situation on our hands to mimosa hostilis-if people wanna keep working with dmt sustainably in terms of the future diversifying plant sources is the best option i can think of
explore more plants people!
....i know of acacia for example that have equally high yields and in my opinion equal quality extract to mhrb. acacia acuminata is a western australian acacia with around 1% dmt in the phyllodes! (like leaves.. acacia has stem extensions instead) and 1.5% in the bark. a phyllode source with the same yield as mimosa.. hmm sounds pretty good doesn't it.
no more rootbark needed and you needn't harm the tree you grow either... pick a few phyllodes for a brew or extraction when you need them and you have yourself a sustainable dmt source that will provide you with a lifetime of spice.I'd also like to raise the issue of acacia confusa import. I know that for now it is pretty under the radar and easy to get, but if people keep importing the plant and more and more people start recognising it as a good dmt source, once again all the spotlight will move to confusa, and we will end up with a similar situation on our hands to mimosa hostilis-if people wanna keep working with dmt sustainably in terms of the future diversifying plant sources is the best option i can think of
explore more plants people!
RebornInSmoke
Lysergic Feline
hear, hear!
i wholeheartedly agree, well said acacian
i wholeheartedly agree, well said acacian
zombicyckel
Armchair activist
acacian said:i know it seems daunting to some to venture away from mhrb, but the same principle applies across the board for extracting dmt from plants. theres some slight variations of technique for example extra defats for plants with more clorophyll/fats/oils ...stb might not always be the way to go with certain species.. its really pretty simple though and i think we should be clear in acknowledging that the dmt from other plant sources is of just as good quality and often in just as good, if not better yields
....i know of acacia for example that have equally high yields and in my opinion equal quality extract to mhrb. acacia acuminata is a western australian acacia with around 1% dmt in the phyllodes! (like leaves.. acacia has stem extensions instead) and 1.5% in the bark. a phyllode source with the same yield as mimosa.. hmm sounds pretty good doesn't it.
I'd also like to raise the issue of acacia confusa import. I know that for now it is pretty under the radar and easy to get, but if people keep importing the plant and more and more people start recognising it as a good dmt source, once again all the spotlight will move to confusa, and we will end up with a similar situation on our hands to mimosa hostilis-if people wanna keep working with dmt sustainably in terms of the future diversifying plant sources is the best option i can think of
explore more plants people!
Well said! Its mindblowing one can even use the leafs. More people need to jump on the acacia train. No need to harm the plant.
The problem is what will people do in the meantime?
Everyone should start now. Acuminata is a slow slow tree at the start, at least mine seem to be very slow..im growing everything I can, but I got a couple kilos of mimosa stored away so I should be good until I can start harvesting my trees and grasses etc..
It does not make sense to wait until mimosa rally is not available..you dont plant a tree one day and harvest bark or phyllodes the next..so everyone that has the space should get on this now.
Everyone should start now. Acuminata is a slow slow tree at the start, at least mine seem to be very slow..im growing everything I can, but I got a couple kilos of mimosa stored away so I should be good until I can start harvesting my trees and grasses etc..
It does not make sense to wait until mimosa rally is not available..you dont plant a tree one day and harvest bark or phyllodes the next..so everyone that has the space should get on this now.
..watering and sun usually speeds acacia growth..the fastest growing acacia would be A. maidenii, but it has to be the right geno-type..there are high and low yeilding strains..go thru the index in the acacia info thread for some clues..
A. floribunda is also very fast (compared to obtusifolia or acuminata)..
..perfecting the defatting of Phalaris aquatica AQ1 is IMO the 'big breakthru' we await..
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A. floribunda is also very fast (compared to obtusifolia or acuminata)..
..perfecting the defatting of Phalaris aquatica AQ1 is IMO the 'big breakthru' we await..
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zombicyckel
Armchair activist
Indeed im rooting for the grasses aswell. But the best and most satisfying/stealth and less harmful would be to grow the acacia trees and use the flowers. To be patient is gonna be a must in the future. Bark has had a good run though.
Now there exist ways of doing it without the bark. And I for one is happy for that. Even if takes a few years. Gotta do the best with the situation at hand.
Now there exist ways of doing it without the bark. And I for one is happy for that. Even if takes a few years. Gotta do the best with the situation at hand.
TheAppleCore
Rising Star
Can somebody please fill me in on the so-called MHRB debacle? Is it now dangerous to have MHRB shipped to the U.S.? I see that my favorite ethnobotanical vendor is still stocking the bark.
Crazyhorse
Wide eyed and hopeful
TheAppleCore said:
Big shipments to the major US distributors have been blocked, but small personal use amounts should be ok. You run a certain amount of risk the package might not make it through, so don't spend any more on it than you can afford to lose. But most likely it will be fine.
Mr.Peabody
Rising Star
Ha! Try as they might, they won't keep us down. There's no stopping the D train. You know why? Nature has our backs!!
Take that, guvmment!:twisted:
Take that, guvmment!:twisted:
