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a recent thread about converting from DMT oxide had me thinking I should try to convert into DMT oxide to experiment with its psychoactive effects. I expect this would be a binary result experiment since the breakthrough experience is too wildly variant and subjective to make it more granular than that.
My understanding from that thread and others is that I can achieve this with the addition of Hydrogen Peroxide. I admit I'm not a chemist, so how do I go about calculating the correct ratio to mix?
Note that I found Mindlusion's answer on this in that thread:
I will assume the exact amount of h202 is not important insofar as I follow his guideline on its diluted concentration. Is that correct?
Also, I read that pyrolysis might lead to DMT oxide. Does this imply that as we are often burning DMT in conduction methods of vaporization we are likely consuming some DMT oxide? If there were a substantive difference in the experience, we would think that the pattern would have emerged from so many people using techniques that would burn some of the DMT in comparison to say GVG convection techniques which are much less likely to do so, wouldn't we?
Sorry for the ignorant questions here.
My understanding from that thread and others is that I can achieve this with the addition of Hydrogen Peroxide. I admit I'm not a chemist, so how do I go about calculating the correct ratio to mix?
Note that I found Mindlusion's answer on this in that thread:
about 10 years ago i tried this experiment, just adding some 30% H2O2 to freebase DMT dissolved in some ethanol. Preparation of amine oxides from tertiary amines this way from H2O2 is a well known reaction and free of any major side reactions, you should be able to find examples online of other tertiary amines.
If without ethanol IPA should work the same, I might have even used IPA I don't remember. I made a thread on the forum should be able to find it. Don't worry about decomposition of the peroxide, the workup is simple. It will stay in the water layer, just dilute it with at least 10x volume of water (so now its%) and then extract out the amine oxide with DCM or chloroform. Any traces of peroxide will have decomposed during evaporation, water and oxygen. Best to also dry the extracts with MgSO4 or NaSO4 and filter, but not entirely necessary, especially working at a small scale.
Amine oxides are very polar so you need a relatively polar extraction solvent. I ran it all in a narrow test tube so it was really easy to just suck up the organic layer with a pipette and then evaporate it. It's not soluble in naphtha or hexanes, which is also a helpful indicator that the reaction worked. It is also a useful way to remove any unreacted DMT, by washing the oil well with hot hexanes. I mixed it well with hexanes, heated it near boiling with lots of stirring, decanted off the hot hexanes and saved it for later to recover any unreacted DMT. Hardly anything was recovered, so seemed the reaction went to completion in high yield.
The product I recovered was a colourless to pale yellow oil, which did not crystallize. I didn't have any analytical equipment to test it at the time (was just out of highschool) Don't remember if I did TLC, would have been a good indicator.
I will assume the exact amount of h202 is not important insofar as I follow his guideline on its diluted concentration. Is that correct?
Also, I read that pyrolysis might lead to DMT oxide. Does this imply that as we are often burning DMT in conduction methods of vaporization we are likely consuming some DMT oxide? If there were a substantive difference in the experience, we would think that the pattern would have emerged from so many people using techniques that would burn some of the DMT in comparison to say GVG convection techniques which are much less likely to do so, wouldn't we?
Sorry for the ignorant questions here.
