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soulsearcher

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i greatly appreciate everyone's wisdom and experience!! wow!! i am the witness to a bizarre and disturbing transformation of someone who has taken the dmt experience and god like mode to the highest level.
it has resulted is a dangerous thing my friends. He has alienated all loved ones and friends. He seems to be in godlike mode most of the time. Even those who have done spice with him have stepped away. I myself have not gone there but greatly respect the power of it!!!!

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I greatly respect your opinions. I have contacted Dr. Strassman and he is giving me some information.

Your knowledge is appreciated!
 
hoping for some insight....i'm just a concerned friend....Dr. Strassman just replied to me that it is possible for someone to remain in the godlike mode for awhile.....does anyone agree?
 
what do you mean by "god like mode"?

..I hate when people take entheogens and all of a sudden get all dogmatic or act like they are better..I have seen this in certain people who get into ayahuasca on a superficial level..and look donw upon people who smoke DMT or do extractions etc..thinking what they do is better or that they are more respectful/spiritual people..alot of these people dance around pretending to be something they are not..like amazonian:?

I think psychedelics open you up and make you more aware, and even expose one to other dimensions..but I dont feel like I beceom a "god"..I guess it made me sort of feel like I touched down on the "god head" though..where everything seems to fit together.
 
people will remainin like that until they realize that it gets them nowhere and they have no friends..you cannot blame DMT or psychedels..IMO it's the person and that's it..they were probabily already like that to begin with..taking DMT just reinforced the feeling..supported the ego even more..

Maybe they need a real dose, or maybe they just need to realize that noone likes them..either way.

People learn quickly enough...and if they dont they might just be alone..

Anything can do this to people, not just psychedelics..some people learn the hard way I guess..

I think if you dont end up seeing god within everyone, and realizing that we all bleed red..than you have missed a large part of what these things are really all about.
 
i guess i didn't mean god like...sorry....he believes he is god...that we are all god...which i appreciate the beauty of...
he has become less tolerant of other "normal people" for lack of a better term...he does feel he is on a higher level because he "knows"
i do not blame dmt....he actually used it to cure his severe migraines and he took him to another place and personality. In the beginning it was beautiful and happy and he was open and loving to all....now he is guarded and defensive...unable to focus and has memory loss.

As far as the ego thing, he mentions it often and says he has shed it and peeled away the layers.
 
ya I know what you mean..I get sort of intolerant as well when having a bad day..I think we all have those days..I get frustrated trying to deal with and converse with people who haven't turned on before..but that is still the ego trying to take over.

Tolerance is something we need..otherwise we wont get anywhere. It's hard but I think we need to learn to respect others more and where they are comming from..I know I do. psychedelics dont change that..and getting angry/acting better/high than others only servs to irritate them and they will shut you out..I learned that the hard way.

The mushrooms tell me every time that the best wya to change things is to always pass on the good..if we do that the negative will be weeded out..it's a process.
 
how would you recommend we reach our friend? he seems to be on a path that is not positive but thinks he is.....as you said the negative will be weeded out but he is creating the negative instead. downright confusing. he is reaching out to people he feels need healing and pushing away people who love him and are close to him. we are wary of some of these people. is it dangerous to give someone with schizophrenia dmt? or someone with seriouse health problems dmt? that was all our concerns.
what do you think? anyone?
 
remind your friend of the story of avalokiteshvara....the buddha of compassion who reached the highest level of enlightenment and could have transcended far beyond this samsara of pain and rebirth but chose to stay behind until EVERY LIVING SOUL reached the same state.....

we are all part of one. the growth and evolution of one is the growth and evolution of all. his work on himself if important but if it does not BRING HIM CLOSER to his humanity and recognizing the oneness in all living things/people, then perhaps he is only ABUSING the spice...using it simply to reinforce a sense of "holier than thou" that HAD to have existed before he ever met the spirit molecule.

spice has taught me to see my own face in the face of others. to see the light from which we both emanate. it has brought me closer to the world and my ego has truly faded as a result. i am a professional athlete....full of ego...yet, after working intensively with DMT for the past year i feel very little desire to compete for much longer. my contract is for one more year and i will honor that...but i am already envisioning and actualizing my new reality....a reality that is less about standing out and more about being a part.

...perhaps your friend could try to start seeing himself as a "part" as well.....each of us is a perfect facet of an indescribably beautiful "godliness". what good is being a god if you are unable to see the whole of yourself? :)

tell your friend i'm sending him a ton of...

LOVE AND GRATITUDE!!
 
I don't think it would be helpful in any way to give a schizophrenic dmt. Is he a schizophrenic? If you see that he has mental problems that run in the family he may be genetically prone to getting them also, thus dmt can make them worse. He should stop taking the dmt and get on something else, seriously, stopping could greatly benefit him. May good spirits be with you and your friend.
 
Sounds like your friend may be in the very least a manic state bordering on psychosis. I would discourage him from using mind altering substances or psychedelics of any kind. Of course people with borderline mental proublems should NEVER take psychedelics.

He could be in a religious delusional state this potentially dangerous state of mind also occurs with out drug use but is a form of delusional psychosis. I had a teenage friend who was a Christian PCP user it lasted three years of insanity. Running around in the snow in his underwear shouting "What more can I do for you Lord"......He frightened many people with his psychotic blessings.

Is he a danger to himself or others? If so he should seek help ASAP and if he does not want it you may have to make the call. Hope it all works out ok.


MV
 
He is in a state of mania/psychosis dude, it's not good. I've been there and done that, in this exact state though I didn't alienate everyone or anything, in my case I was blissfully happy and nothing could bring me down. Given about 2-3 weeks of abstinence from drugs this will fade away.

Of course he will not want it to fade away because this state feels like an amazing afterglow (which it is in some respects).

What you have to do is talk him down to reality. This means that you take in all the information from his point of view and blend it with the information from reality, you need to make something connect in his mind that says "hold on, something is amiss". Best of luck.
 
What you have to do is talk him down to reality. This means that you take in all the information from his point of view and blend it with the information from reality, you need to make something connect in his mind that says "hold on, something is amiss". Best of luck.
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Agreed
 
When dealing with such cases the difficult thing is that a lot of what they experienced is essentially real, it's just their interpretation that fucks it up. He may be suspicious that you want to take away from him the "wisdom" that he acquired (when saying this, he means the experience, not the interpretation - but he cannot make the two apart so he clings to the interpretation as if it would be the experience itself). When you tell him to "come down to reality", he may think you don't accept the things he saw. And this makes you an "outsider" who "cannot possibly understand".

If you could somehow get into his inner world and point out the fallacies from the inside, then he would probably more likely to listen and change to the better. But to do that, you'd have to face some deep philosophical problems of religion and human psychology in general.
 
Enlightenment inflation can happen to the best of us:wink: Assuming nothing dangerous is going down, the best you can do for your friend is to discourage him from any foolish actions; just be there for him for his inevitable return to more ordinary consciousness. When the certainty is gone he may experience a degree of depression.
 
fourthripley said:
Enlightenment inflation can happen to the best of us:wink: Assuming nothing dangerous is going down, the best you can do for your friend is to discourage him from any foolish actions; just be there for him for his inevitable return to more ordinary consciousness. When the certainty is gone he may experience a degree of depression.
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I agree..if you friend is indeed psychotic and a danger to themselves or others..than I suggest you do something to get them help..

If it is just an ego thing..than I would like to say there is something you can do..but I dont really know..you cannot teach people things..you can set up a situation where they might be forced to somehow see it for themselves..but other than that..?..everyone has a time and a place for realization to happen, and only then does it really become tangible to them..you cant force it on them..they wont listen.
 
A stable home life is a necissary place to come back to, travelling to other realms would not be possible without it for me . I am greatful for my home and my beautiful family to eventually return to after journeying . DMT does not mix well with tenuous mental states in normal reality. I can see how the power of the stuff could easily send a person off the deep end at least temporarily. I've experienced many moments of questionable sanity myself. Normal reality is a place we have to live in. its just as relevant and important as the other realms. I find that integration of the profoundness of the spice experience is the biggest challenge. I have compassion for people who have not seen the things i've been fortunate enough to see. I have gratitude everyday fro my own good fortune. I also know that the dmt experience is not for everyone and that some people are better off not knowing about it. Balance is everything . Once again learning how to integrate the experience into everyday life is one of the biggest challenges.
 
soulsearcher said:
he has become less tolerant of other "normal people" for lack of a better term...he does feel he is on a higher level because he "knows"
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Felnik said:
I have compassion for people who have not seen the things i've been fortunate enough to see.
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Bingo!
soulsearcher, tell your friend to remember the Golden Rule:
Treat others as you wish to be treated. -This is very important and very profound;
It allows us all to be different and at the same time we can all respect each other.
 
much gratitude for your responses. they are shedding light on a difficult situation. much much appreciated everyone....
Felnik...your post rings true of many things I have heard him say in the beginning and now what we all are seeing happen now. Integrating the experience into everyday life, finding balance, a stable home life, other realms, and difficulty in a stressful reality.

Oh and Cellux, you are absof....inglutely right on about all that!! We are "outsiders" and we "cannot possible understand". There is no talking to him dude!!! He knows it ALL!!!

So is there an end? It seems most can enjoy spice and it's nice but some go beyond and to expanded enlightment which is a beautiful thing.
Does anyone know if spice can create permanent damage? Or rather does it effect the brain only of those who have problems in their aleady?
 
Does he use other drugs? Did he just smoke spice of did he have a long trip? If he just smoked a few breakthru hits and is behaving in the manner you describe 48hours later there is more going on than the residuals from a smoked DMT experance.

If he had a long trip and is still consuming mind altering substances even at low levels it may take quite some time to return to normal a week 10days two weeks.

As long as he is not a danger to himself or others it is likely no big deal. Anyone who uses strong psychedelics and has not experienced challenges to there sanity has not really used strong psychedelics! I experienced quite a few of these myself last night but found today to be extremity productive. Chanellging yourself physically and mentally has always proven quite benifical to me in the long run. I have died so many times it is like I am already dead it does not bother me a bit. Riding out temporary situations is still a challenge but I do not think any one gets to avoid this aspect of navigating these strange and fascinating realms.

Best of luck to you and yours.

PEACE
MV
 
i suppose some will go too far whilst other stay in borders of reality. This seems to be beyond reality my friends and it has happened at an alarming rate. Crash and burn is on the horizon. I don't know what will happen but I fear it will not be good. I hope the brain survives the impact and the beautiful soul emerges as he was.
 
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